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Beast of Burden
Also, films like Commando made the use of humour to undercut tension and violence an art form, but this added to the drama rather than becoming the default deflating irony reflex that now contaminates most Hollywood blockbuster content.

"I let him go" works. But it led, ultimately, to the tyranny of the smirk.
 
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luka

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I think I need to binge watch every major Hollywood film of the era. While reading up on Iran Contra, BCCI and stuff like that.
 

IdleRich

IdleRich
just rewatched crank and the sequel recently - not quite as nuts as i remember them - but still very funny
The sequel is maybe slightly unnecessary... but whatever, do you see what I'm saying about the similarities to Pusher?
 

IdleRich

IdleRich
Also, films like Commando made the use of humour to undercut tension and violence an art form, but this added to the drama rather than becoming the default deflating irony reflex that now contaminates most Hollywood blockbuster content.

"I let him go" works. But it led, ultimately, to the tyranny of the smirk.
I think that Bond was a pioneer in this... both the original wry jokes and then, ultimately, the ironic sneer.
 

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I think that Bond was a pioneer in this... both the original wry jokes and then, ultimately, the ironic sneer.

That's very true. But I don't think it overwhelmed Hollywood until Arnie did it in the 80s. Was True Lies a pioneer of the new Hollywood irony and detachment?
 

IdleRich

IdleRich
Could be, that was the film I was trying to remember above. That was the first one that I can think of that was a full and unashamed attempt at comedy but with the relentless explosions and sequences of a full action film. The blueprint for The Rock's career.
 

IdleRich

IdleRich
American Made right? I wrote about that on dissensus when I watched it last year
Again, not a totally horrible film (but where else to talk about not particularly important, not especially good films?) but we just watched American Made the Tom Cruise vehicle from a few years back. In one sense it IS a crazy story about a pilot who gets hired by the CIA to take photos of Central American militias, then starts flying cocaine for the Medellin Cartel and then is caught by the DEA and forced to work for them - but at the same time it's also a familiar story, we basically know that the CIA was involved in drug smuggling and, more importantly for the film, we've seen this arc countless times before; crazy guy gets involved with drugs/guns and money, at first it goes well and he's coining it in, got too much to spend and is burying it in the garden and drinking champagne made of diamonds or whatever, before it turns dark and the walls start closing in and it's time to pay the price for his actions... with a final chance of some kind of redemption.
The issue for me was really Cruise, he plays it exactly as you've seen him so many times before, the gung-ho, grinning (short) action hero who is always one step ahead of his enemies, barely flustered by the stakes and the risks to himself and his family and so on. And this is where it fails - I watched Uncut Gems the other day and, although I was very mixed in my feelings for the film on the whole, what it did do was convey this sense of the main guy and the stress he felt, the tension in every event, the actual fear when threatened by the small time gangster and his reasonably intimidating heavies. But if you can smell the desperation of a dodgy jeweller under threat of some broken legs or a serious kicking - ok, at the end, aware that his life could be forfeit - shouldn't a guy who is being chased by the FBI, the DEA, local law enforcement, the fucking Escobar cartel and possibly the Nicaraguan army for good measure... shouldn't he be a little more concerned than shouting hurry up every now and again? Why can Adam Sandler make you feel at moments what it might be like to be in that situation and Tom Cruise can't even get close?
I don't know the answer but that was the difference.
 

woops

is not like other people
I haven't seen Pusher but it sounds like I should.

I like Luke's version of the listening-to-Virilio-podcasts-while-playing-Metal Gear Solid plan, above
 

luka

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Among the first things the US forces and CIA did was to liberate a number of known opium warlords who, they said, would assist US forces. Opium farmers rejoiced and, amidst reports that they were being encouraged to do so, began planting massive opium crops....

When the harvest of 2002 came, Afghanistan had again become the worlds largest producer of the opium poppy and the worlds largest heroin supplier. From a paltry 180 tons under the taliban in 2001, according to the UN, the estimated 2002 harvest, under CIA protection, was close to 3,700 tons. By March of 2003, World Bank President James Wolfensohn was reporting record levels of opium production and that drugs were a bigger earner for Afghanistan than foreign aid.

The 2003 crop set new records, coming in at almost 4000 tons. And experts warned that the June 2004 harvest might be 50 per cent larger than that of 2003. In November of 2003" Reuters reported that current Afghan opium cultivation was 36 times higher than under the last year of Taliban rule.
 

luka

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Can we groupthink a watching programme up for me? A schedule. Only one film a night though, I'm not constant escape.
 
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