Tom Waits vs. David Bowie

[woops]

some people might say, like, pop is about great tunes man, or pop is about teenage girls
or pop is image, but only our Gus could say
synthesis, logistics, deployment.
That's what pop is.

i dunno, i reckon @thirdform could get behind this. the great volksmusik being a push on behalf the proletariat

 

[catalog]

some people might say, like, pop is about great tunes man, or pop is about teenage girls
or pop is image, but only our Gus could say
synthesis, logistics, deployment.
That's what pop is.

I sort of know what he means.. I bet @suspended would love ABC

 

[luka]

im not criticising. its just extraordinary. how did Gus get made? what produced him? what made him this way? its a miracle!

 

[catalog]

He's a tech bro innit. All coders talk like this. It's like, logic, man

 

[catalog]

They see humans as machines. Life is a programmatic issue.

 

[catalog]

The perfect pop song can be deduced by applying an algorithmic solution to available data

 

[catalog]

Any issue or kink can be ironed out by tweaking. You can break everything down into steps that can be solved.

 

[sus]

its the phrase that made me laugh. i dont know if its a lie cos ive got no idea what it means. i just love the
fact that someone can say these things

synthesis > yeah for sure, i love kraftwerk

deployment > what like bringing out the chorus at the right moment? ok

logistics > isn't this about scheduling van deliveries or something? dunno what thats got to do with gr8 pop acts

OK I see what you mean.

Logistics / synthesis / deployment: scouting new sounds, mixing them together into a package that's greater than its parts ("emergence"), bringing out the potentials of scouted parts, mechanisms... sure, "writing great hooks" is part of this

 

[catalog]

There's not a single problem that cannot be worked out and solved.

That's the mindset of programming.

 

[IdleRich]

It's like the Parthenon, all its supposed architectural and engineering innovations were first used on previous temples. But the Parthenon manages to tie all those innovations together to make something incredible and lush and out-of-this-world.

Sounds like Bowie... we should have a thread.

 

[sus]

Kanye, Bowie—these are pop stars as curators

 

[sus]

Beatles are obviously pop stars as curators. They didn't even invent the sitar!

 

[woops]

i bet he'd like this ABC track even more:

 

[sus]

My point is that mixing together formal innovations and developing a world, an aesthetic, a vibe—creating a package where all the parts work together incredibly effectively—that's a big thing, a big value add, not to be scoffed at. It isn't the end-all be-all, pay homage to the places they got their parts—but c'mon now, the people they got parts from got their parts from elsewhere also. That's just what ideas are, bla bla bla I'm not saying anything new we all know this, an idea "is" a remix, just like an idea "is" a metaphor (Hofstadter, Lakoff, pick your vocalist)

 

[IdleRich]

cultural appropriation is the name of the game, plagiarism is necessary progress implies it etc.

it's my understanding that classical architecture was considered a branch of mathematics, that proportion and scale was an expression of mathematical laws (or axioms or whatever you call them), so there was bound to be a parthenon sooner or later

Axioms tell you what can happen not what will happen.

 

[catalog]

My point is that mixing together formal innovations and developing a world, an aesthetic, a vibe—creating a package where all the parts work together incredibly effectively—that's a big thing, a big value add, not to be scoffed at. It isn't the end-all be-all, pay homage to the places they got their parts—but c'mon now, the people they got parts from got their parts from elsewhere also. That's just what ideas are, bla bla bla I'm not saying anything new we all know this, an idea "is" a remix, just like an idea "is" a metaphor (Hofstadter, Lakoff, pick your vocalist)

Additional steps need to add value, the dial needs to be moved.

 

[sus]

He's a tech bro innit. All coders talk like this. It's like, logic, man

I was like this way back as an American Literature undergrad, long before I'd ever written a piece of code

 

[woops]

Sounds like Bowie... we should have a thread.

no one would say "sounds like tom waits... i think he's an amazing magpie who combines the best bits of other people's achievements into a whole greater than etc etc" so my vote is cast.

 

[catalog]

I was like this way back as an American Literature undergrad, long before I'd ever written a piece of code

Yeah there's a certain strain of arts/humanities student who is not a dossy cunt like me and is instead more logical like you

 

[sus]

Modernism recast as modernism recast as junglism