Corruption, 'Deep Politics', etc.

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And we all know this discussion should be taking place in the "Why Conspiracy Theories?" thread!

I feel like a potter who's opened up his workshop for the day and discovered his beautiful pots have been smashed by vandals. I'm kneeling with broken pottery in my hands and tears in my eyes here.

 

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You need to assert your authority Version, take some ownership!

 

[version]

You're right. Let's get this thread back on track!

 

[version]

Craner, what can you tell us about the Welsh deep state?

 

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You're right. Let's get this thread back on track!

What's your opinion on the oligarchy, Versh?

 

[version]

What's your opinion on the oligarchy, Versh?

I'm not a fan.

 

[luka]

 

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I'm not a fan.

It's not much of a fan of you either, but luckily you're hidden by a veil of anonymity and never leave the house.

 

[luka]

its like the agenda to smash the commies. it involves powerful groups with aligned interests coming together to smash the commies. its not all powerful, cos there are also commies and other people who dont want to smash the commies but equally there are events which can be explained using this smash the commies franework

 

[luka]

now if people beleive there is a powerful group of people who want to set the world into new post growth green economy direction,for example, and that is exemplifed by the great reset handout sheet, its not actually that mad a thing to beleive imo. that is what i actually said

 

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Craner, what can you tell us about the Welsh deep state?

This is my opinion on the intellectual origins of the Senedd Deep State:

This vision of Welsh identity was regressive and insular, based on an artificial aesthetic of ruralism, provincialism, a cult of the past augmented by Welsh folktales and Celtic legends, Bardic traditions and peasant superstitions. Lewis was a Roman Catholic and brought to Plaid Cymru the influence of French Catholic conservatism, Charles Maurras and Action française (his ally Ambrose Webb wrote, “It is a Mussolini that Wales needs!”, 24). By the Second World War, this Plaid faction was propounding an anti-democratic, extra-parliamentary platform that called for abstention from the ‘Imperial War’ against Hitler and a form of direct action that led to an arson attack on RAF Penrhos in 1936. Lewis was incarcerated in Wormwood Scrubs for this adventure and became a martyr for the Welsh cause, electrifying activist sentiment within the more militant Welsh-language communities (although many couldn’t have cared less).

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[luka]

so here you might expect the great reset people to be opposed by maybe the saudis? maybe some texan oilmen. the devotees are LaRouche, you would expect pushback and the imperfect achievement of goals

 

[luka]

but you could also look at proposals eg eating bugs and say, that is the work of the great reset oligarchs. that would be not unreasonable

 

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Are LaRouchies still a thing?

 

[luka]

Are LaRouchies still a thing?

only on the twitter accounts i follow

 

[william_kent]

Are LaRouchies still a thing?

yes, but internecine battles since the death of Lyndon

 

[luka]

now you could say this is low resolution or whatever and glosses over all sorts of detail but it also makes sense and has predictive power so it is no surprise that people buy into it.

 

[luka]

similarly with fake news people now feel (correctly imo) that they can see the agenda the big networks are pushing. and perhaps this has got more obvious in part becasue of fox, in a subtle sophisticated way i cant be bothered explaining right this minute

 

[Mr. Tea]

now if people beleive there is a powerful group of people who want to set the world into new post growth green economy direction,for example, and that is exemplifed by the great reset handout sheet, its not actually that mad a thing to beleive imo. that is what i actually said

Clearly such people exist, but are they more powerful than the petrochemical industry?

This is why discussion of "the elite" is often so far off the mark. It massively exaggerates the power of some groups while ignoring other, clearly much more powerful groups.

 

[luka]

Clearly such people exist, but are they more powerful than the petrochemical industry?

This is why discussion of "the elite" is often so far off the mark. It massively exaggerates the power of some groups while ignoring other, clearly much more powerful groups.

well this is what we are trying to talk about actually. where power lies, who gets to create reality, who is fighting who etc etc etc