Rivers

luka

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you've got the contrast between the rivers natural course, err and meander, always seeking out the path of least resistance, and the straight lines of man. which brings in the walled and culverted river. the rationalised and tamed river. you've got dam and hydroelectricity. (and how that is complicated by the rivers disregard for national borders. who owns the river)
 
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youve got the river shaping the land (fluvial geomorphology.) you've got river as source site of civilization (nile, tigris, euphrates, indus, yellow river_O) river as life giver, fertility god (flooding of the nile etc and that setting up a cyclical model of time) river as strong brown god
you've got joyce@s anna livia plurabelle and his river as feminine principle. flow/becoming as against the male fixed hill, mountain, rock, being. verb and noun opposition.
 

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you've got the rivers as the first ways to explore a territory, as the way into high country etc. first navigation guide. river as trade route and war-passage.
 
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river as arm of ocean reaching into land, bringing the gulls with it, squawking and bickering. seal and dolphin along it. river as the way out. off-shore, into the big blue.
 

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you've got river as constant change. watching the patterns move, the interplay of light and air and current, and everything beneath the surface.
how forces converge there.
 
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you can play about with the estuary as interzone, tidal, fresh water become brackish etc
 
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you've got the river in heart of darkness, which ive read (upriver, ccru's favourite motif), the river in huck fin which i havent.
 
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you've got the hindu thing of all rivers being the ganges which means people toss votice offerings into the thames, cos its all the same thing. gods washed up on the banks, and coconut shells. the water cycle meaning all water, teardrop, raindrop, cloud, thames, ganges, nile, missisipi, tigris, euphrates, danube, don, all being the same water
 

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youve got rimbauds drunken boat. you've got merrily merrily merrily life is but a dream. you've got tomorrow never knows.
 

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the differences that emerge when you contrast a fluid medium model of experience to a solid one. things merge flow into each other itself. identity no longer fixed, self contained, impervious
 

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I am writing a big essay right now about water metaphors and flow and tao and fluidity and process philosophy and the sea in Moby Dick. so if you have any fun science facts or myths and legends or poems or parables of rivers and seas, the constant flowing changing way of water, I would very much appreciate it

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There's a Wordsworth poem that tells the legend of a young boy attempting to jump The Strid, falling in and dying.

XXIII.
THE FORCE OF PRAYER;
OR,
THE FOUNDING OF BOLTON PRIORY.
A TRADITION.





"What is good for a bootless bene?"
With these dark words begins my Tale;
And their meaning is, whence can comfort spring
When Prayer is of no avail?

"What is good for a bootless bene?"
The Falconer to the Lady said;
And she made answer "ENDLESS SORROW!"
For she knew that her Son was dead.

She knew it by the Falconer's words,
And from the look of the Falconer's eye;
And from the love which was in her soul
For her youthful Romilly.

—Young Romilly through Barden Woods
Is ranging high and low;
And holds a Greyhound in a leash,
To let slip upon buck or doe.

And the Pair have reached that fearful chasm,
How tempting to bestride!
For lordly Wharf is there pent in
With rocks on either side.

This Striding-place is called The Strid,
A name which it took of yore:
A thousand years hath it borne that name,
And shall, a thousand more.

And hither is young Romilly come,
And what may now forbid
That he, perhaps for the hundredth time,
Shall bound across The Strid?

He sprang in glee,—for what cared he
That the River was strong and the rocks were steep?
—But the Greyhound in the leash hung back,
And checked him in his leap.

The Boy is in the arms of Wharf,
And strangled by a merciless force;
For never more was young Romilly seen
Till he rose a lifeless Corse!

Now there is stillness in the Vale,
And long unspeaking sorrow:—
Wharf shall be to pitying hearts
A name more sad than Yarrow.

If for a Lover the Lady wept,
A solace she might borrow
From death, and from the passion of death;—
Old Wharf might heal her sorrow.

She weeps not for the wedding-day
Which was to be to-morrow:
Her hope was a farther-looking hope,
And hers is a Mother's sorrow.

He was a Tree that stood alone,
And proudly did its branches wave;
And the Root of this delightful Tree
Was in her Husband's grave!

Long, long in darkness did she sit,
And her first words were, "Let there be
In Bolton, on the Field of Wharf,
A stately Priory!"

The stately Priory was reared;
And Wharf, as he moved along,
To Matins joined a mournful voice,
Nor failed at Even-song.

And the Lady prayed in heaviness
That looked not for relief;
But slowly did her succour come,
And a patience to her grief.

Oh! there is never sorrow of heart
That shall lack a timely end
If but to God we turn, and ask
Of Him to be our Friend!
 
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