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Stan would definitely come up with something like this if he got really into hip-hop. He'd turn it into a spreadsheet.
Clinamatic's venture to the rap dungeon
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you're probably right that he doesn't deserve it, and probably also that there are other people that are better. but I do get something out of DaBaby that I find pretty interesting. It's probably less interesting if you're more immersed in that world, but I'm not.
Separately, I do have a bit of an issue talking about hiphop in general, coz basically the more credible and respected they are, the less I seem to like them, whereas if they're proper trashy they tend to click for me. like this, which I genuinely like but which I think is probably despised by the real heads (never seen the video before this moment, the word that comes to mind is 'gash'):
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haven't heard "gash" in a long time it's not that its disliked by "the real heads" its more that it comes off like you don't take the music seriously
only ever chasing after whatever new novelty that makes it slightly interesting for you only to go back to whatever other genre it is that you really dedicate your time and mental energy towards.
Also credible in what way? if you're talking street credible or credible cause they embody hip hop then sure there's rappers like that on both sides but the former despite what reddits and youtube accounts might tell you people who genuinly care about whether they're favourite rappers actaully caught bodies or not are fucking weirdos and the latter even the backpackers who bought into all that shit about "rap-lies = hip hop" eventually unlearned all that shit as time went on
The trashiness is definitly a part of it but hell Gucci Mane was trashy, Too Short was trashy from the get go so much of soundcloud rap been and still is trashy fuckin...there's a bunch of try hard white guy rappers who you could consider trashy and some of them have the most dedicated fandoms out there this is despised because not only because the song sucks but its cause you're a grown arse man listening to Bhad Bhabie lol. @shakahislop
you can get away with being a man in his mid 30s+ being into pop stars like Billie Eilish,Charli XCX and them doesn't really work with it being into the gal who started out as a meme and turned that into something resembling a rap career
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even Yachty i never really got into Yachty when he first bubbled up cause i just found his style and music a bit to "4 year olds crayon art stuck to the fridge" for my taste, like he doubled down on all the really sugary beats that Young Thug used to love rapping over but even he eventually started rocking with some of the Michigan rappers and Drakeo the Ruler, while at first i thought his move from more melody based rapping to a more technical focused one was a bad one it did warm up to me and he did improve over time.
Not to the point where he was out rapping say Rio da yung OG but he did improve
Not to the point where he was out rapping say Rio da yung OG but he did improve
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who are these "real heads" that you seem to be petrified of exactly?
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yeah. i mean, fair enough. i mean i think i take rap about as seriously as i take any music, which is to say that i spend quite a lot of time thinking and reading about it. it's probably one of the most consistent things i've been into over the past decade or so. but i definitely don't take it as seriously as the people who are properly into it, who i guess to me are really only people i've met on the internet, not real life. i'm alright with that i think.
i mean credible in terms of what i see people on internet message boards talk about when they talk about hiphop they like. which is a distinct thing from the hiphop i hear on like Hot97 here, not that i listen to it much, or coming out of people's cars on the street in the US, or what i hear in tiktok clips on my nieces' feeds. to me they seem to be different categories of things. i have no idea what's credible for like people living in east st louis or whatever, i just don't know anyone like that.
my arse is indeed grown (too much this winter) but again i feel alright getting something out of this mainstream hiphop stuff. i don't really find it embarrassing. well except when people tell me that i should find it embarrassing like here. i do find it pretty interesting to think about what exactly it is that I get out of these tunes though, and what other people get out of it as well (coz this stuff is pretty popular, it's not just me).
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you!
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oh come on man i can't be that scary, i bet you grew up around village youts who did funnyman stuff to animals who are scarier than me
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rap forums like like any other forums are filled with liars,boasters guys who speak in half truths,bitter men lying and pining for a past that didn't really exist and people who sometimes burrow so deep into strange tunnles there's no way to get them out.
places like thecoli and boxden you might get a funny thread, stories that talk on street shit that depending on whose involved might add texture or is just completely ancillary but can be entertaining (Loon hitting 40 Cal with a shovel in a barbershop) but also unreleased albums that otherwise would never see the light of day.
places like that you take the userbase with a grain of salt some of the guys who chat like their authorities listen to blandest shit swearing that its pushing things forward or bringing lyricism back not recognising with some truly groundbreaking shit is standing in their faces
@shakahislop what i'm saying is don't worry and take it from me i'm alot nicer than some of those people the fact that i've spent enough time as i have on dissensus talking about this stuff with the people on here,sharing what i know rather than acting like Eddie Murphy when he stepped in that redneck bar in 48 Hrs should speak alot man
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i was walking past the village tesco once in about 2008 with my mate and the local rudeboys started giving us shit about something, i can't remember what, and they call me a 'wasteman', and i asked them if they thought they were JME, and they shut up because that's exactly what they were doing, they were village lads who clearly loved all that and were imitating the far harder lads in london. then when we were walking back from the pub they had multiplied, there were about ten of them, so we kept our heads down and they shouted at us and i ignored it. shameful. that's about as scary as it gets.
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your mistake was that you responded, even if they were playing pretend if they really wanted to show and prove how hard they were they probably would've tried to stomp you out then and there
'08/'09 people i knew were shifting from grime to rap and that was when all the gangs in london were on the colours beef ASWELL as the postcode wars ting
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it would be really hard to do a postcode war where i'm from, you'd have to walk absolutely fucking miles to get into a different postcode
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but honestly though Shaka, stop listening to the cash me outside gal your doing the first half of your namesake dirty
suburban village white boy or not naah fam
suburban village white boy or not naah fam
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i suppose to your eyes what i had would be more "exciting" to you but nah not really it forces you to grow up quicker sadly a "tradition" of sorts with black youts especially black boys as boring and long as your village might've been you got to still be a kid/teen longer if that makes sense
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no i don't want to, i like the things i listen to. also i can't be both suburban and from a village.
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yeah. no for sure it's one of the good things about growing up out there. like that example i gave, it's basically fine, at worst you might get punched in the face. standard lad stuff. you're never going to get properly hurt in that kind of altercation. people are just less rough in that respect.
i know what you mean but i don't think i ever had that idea of lingering violence being exciting, and without trying to turn this into a dick measuring contest (for which there is another thread) after hanging out in a few for want of a better word warzones, i don't think there's any of that kind of desire left in me if there even was in the first place. well i don't know actually. i mean i guess there's something about the unpredictability which can put you on your toes. but actually being involved in a punch up or whatever mostly seems annoying rather than exciting.
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fine village bwoy then
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you grew up in london right?
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i mean if it's trashy you like and you want to listen to i'd reccomend listening to Fat Trel, great rapper but man he's such a glutton
not only that but he's done tracks with the son of Tommy Hillfiger
or really considering two of the rappers you've brought up both have "baby" in their name in some form or another why not check out Lil Baby,babytron or Baby Smoove
not only that but he's done tracks with the son of Tommy Hillfiger
or really considering two of the rappers you've brought up both have "baby" in their name in some form or another why not check out Lil Baby,babytron or Baby Smoove