Pandemic missed opportunities

luka

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shakahislop said:
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COVID-19 and seasonal flu vaccination hesitancy: Links to personality and general intelligence in a large, UK cohort

Vaccines are a powerful and relatively safe tool to protect against a range of serious diseases. Nonetheless, a sizeable minority of people express ‘v…
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Vaccines are a powerful and relatively safe tool to protect against a range of serious diseases. Nonetheless, a sizeable minority of people express ‘vaccination hesitancy’. Accordingly, understanding the bases of this hesitancy represents a significant public health opportunity. In the present study we sought to examine the role of Big Five personality traits and general intelligence as predictors of vaccination hesitancy across two vaccination types in a large (N = 9667) sample of UK adults drawn from the Understanding Society longitudinal household study. We found that lower levels of general intelligence were associated with COVID-19 and seasonal flu vaccination hesitancy, and lower levels of neuroticism was associated with COVID-19 vaccination hesitancy. Although the self-reported reasons for being vaccine hesitant indicated a range of factors were important to people, lower general intelligence was associated with virtually all of these reasons.
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possible adverse vax reaction @mixed_biscuits ???
 
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Mr. Tea said:
"We found that lower levels of general intelligence were associated with COVID-19 and seasonal flu vaccination hesitancy" :ROFLMAO:
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Yes, we already ascertained that you do things because of the way it looks to others.

If you read the actual paper, the correlation between intelligence and vaccination hesitancy is -0.09 i.e. practically nothing. Vaccine hesitancy is also associated with youth, being less neurotic and being female.

That your attempts at persuasion go no further than weaponising socio-economic anxiety, stopping some distance short of providing actual evidence that the more vaccines you have the healthier you are, suggests that you too are staunchly antivax when push comes to shove.
 
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mixed_biscuits said:
Yes, we already ascertained that you do things because of the way it looks to others.

If you read the actual paper, the correlation between intelligence and vaccination hesitancy is -0.09 i.e. practically nothing. Vaccine hesitancy is also associated with youth, being less neurotic and being female.

That your attempts at persuasion go no further than weaponising socio-economic anxiety, stopping some distance short of providing actual evidence that the more vaccines you have the healthier you are, suggests that you too are staunchly antivax when push comes to shove.
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Yeah whatever, Thicky McThickface.
 
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Don't pretend you wouldn't be all over this like flies on a fresh turd if that correlation were the other way around.
 
luka

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it certainly does feel like people are keeling over from heart attacks etc at a vastly higher rate
doesn't it. adverse vax reactions @nixedbiscuit?
lebrons son being the latest one (poor kid is called 'Bronny'. bad parenting.)
 
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You're right though, it is very weird. Anyone would have thought a couple of billion people were infected by a virus known to cause damage to every single organ.
 
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@Mr. Tea will only agree once a paper comes out saying that people who think that untimely deaths may be due to vax reactions are more intelligent. And the paper has to be reported in the Byline Times because there's no way he's getting to it otherwise.
 
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mixed_biscuits said:
@Mr. Tea will only agree once a paper comes out saying that people who think that untimely deaths may be due to vax reactions are more intelligent. And the paper has to be reported in the Byline Times because there's no way he's getting to it otherwise.
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Well unlike you, I actually looked at the numbers pretty regularly while the vaccination programme was ongoing in 2021. The rate of serious adverse reactions among people who'd had the vaccine was of course bigger than zero. (Of course, by no means all of these were necessarily due to the vaccine; someone dying of a rare brain aneurism might have had toast for breakfast that morning, but we don't conclude that toast causes brain aneurisms. So the reported rates represent a maximum upper limit on the rate of true vaccine-related reactions. Also, the rate of fatalities we minuscule, as even those who'd had serious abreactions generally recovered.) However, this rate - the theoretical maximum rate - was about four orders of magnitude lower than the rate of unvaccinated people dying from covid.

Obviously vaccinated people were dying from covid too, but at a drastically lower rate.
 
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Well unlike you, I actually looked at the numbers pretty regularly while the vaccination programme was ongoing in 2021. The rate of serious adverse reactions among people who'd had the vaccine was of course bigger than zero. (Of course, by no means all of these were necessarily due to the vaccine; someone dying of a rare brain aneurism might have had toast for breakfast that morning, but we don't conclude that toast causes brain aneurisms. So the reported rates represent a maximum upper limit on the rate of true vaccine-related reactions. Also, the rate of fatalities we minuscule, as even those who'd had serious abreactions generally recovered.) However, this rate - the theoretical maximum rate - was about four orders of magnitude lower than the rate of unvaccinated people dying from covid.

Obviously vaccinated people were dying from covid too, but at a drastically lower rate.
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Staggeringly superficial analysis. For a start, why would the reported rates necessarily be the theoretical max?

You're not a statistician and neither are you delving into data that can't just be blithely assumed to be accurate and truthful; look at what Fenton and his fellow academic stattos said to get some idea of the difficulties involved in actually making sense of something that was thoroughly obfuscated by many heavily incentivised actors eg. https://www.normanfenton.com/covid-19

At one point that group said that there was no evidence the vax helped at all(!) and that any apparent benefit was due to statistical incompetence/manipulation. If you want to make yourself useful, try to debunk that.

Look at VAERS, the Yellow Card data and the original safety data from the manufacturers themselves to get an idea of the comparatively terrible safety of the gene therapies.

Also bear in mind that lots of nominally unvaxxed deaths were actually post-vax - that's where the bulk of the second wave of excess deaths came from.

'unlike you' lol get out of town, you chancer

https://www.researchgate.net/public...ademic_Censorship_and_Deceit_in_the_Covid_Era

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NEGATIVE EFFICACY lol - that's worse than the null!
 
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mixed_biscuits said:
Staggeringly superficial analysis. For a start, why would the reported rates necessarily be the theoretical max?
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Because, galaxy-brain, someone who is taking a novel vaccine and then has a heart attack hasn't necessarily had a heart attack because of the vaccine, since people who are not taking a novel vaccine can obviously have heart attacks too.

So if you're reporting *all* such events among a cohort of people who are taking a certain treatment, you're catching all the events that were genuinely connected to the treatment, plus the spurious ones that were unrelated. Therefore any rate you quote is an upper limit. The true rate will be less than that, and could be zero.

I really shouldn't have to explain this to you even once, let alone twice, yet here we are.
 
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Because, galaxy-brain, someone who is taking a novel vaccine and then has a heart attack hasn't necessarily had a heart attack because of the vaccine, since people who are not taking a novel vaccine can obviously have heart attacks too.

So if you're reporting *all* such events among a cohort of people who are taking a certain treatment, you're catching all the events that were genuinely connected to the treatment, plus the spurious ones that were unrelated. Therefore any rate you quote is an upper limit. The true rate will be less than that, and could be zero.

I really should have to explain this to you even once, let alone twice, yet here we are.
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That's not what I'm referring to; keep thinking inside the box
 
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I'm not going to get dragged any further into discussing thus guy, since it's obviously a complete waste of time, but I will say that it's absolutely typical that you've latched onto one guy who says what you want to hear and have decided his ideas are gospel truth, precisely because he's a dissenting voice. The fact that the medical establishment is virtually unanimous in agreeing that covid-19 vaccines represent a net benefit is, for you, proof that they're wrong, because for you 'the establishment' is always wrong by definition.

It's the same pathology that underlies everything from 9/11 Trutherism to climate denialism to Holocaust revisionism to the Flat Earth movement.
 
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