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malelesbian said:
Totally false. A good argument is SOUND. It's premises and conclusion are all true and the argument is valid. Your claims about clarity have nothing to with the evalutation of arguments, only the evaluation of style. But I don't care about style. I care about ideas. Butler's ideas are true. If you want to argue against them, you'll abandon this silly sophistry about presentation. Show me a single unsound argument she makes, I dare you.

Yes, because you never read Butler.

I don't care. Most people who say that have never read them, much less understood them. Besides , why does the quality of their writing matter? Their arguments and ideas are good, that's what matters. Arguments about good or bad writing aren't relevant to philosophy. They're relevant to style guides and Composition 101 classes and such.


Nope. Sokal's arguments all sucked, and I can explain to you in detail why if you cite them. Sokal's work has almost no merit as a criticism of continental philosophy and almost everyone who actually understands postmodernism knows he's wrong.


This isn't even true by the standards of Sokal's own argument. The point was never to show that "the whole enterprise" of Theory is worthless, only to show that better peer review practices are needed, i.e. that Theorists should consult actual scientists before they make claims about science. But Butler almost never makes claims about science so you argument here isn't even relevant to their work.
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nah, it's mutton dressed as lamb

A sound argument could be expressed in formal logic but where does she do that?
 
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mixed_biscuits said:
nah, it's mutton dressed as lamb

A sound argument could be expressed in formal logic but where does she do that?
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No formal logic is needed. Her arguments have true premises that entail a true conclusion. That's what makes them sound. Find me an unsound argument she made, please
 
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malelesbian said:
No formal logic is needed. Her arguments have true premises that entail a true conclusion.
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If that were the case, they would be expressed clearly; she's either a good thinker hampered by terrible writing or a bad thinker

She's not talking about anything complicated ffs - it should be clear
 
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malelesbian said:
No formal logic is needed. Her arguments have true premises that entail a true conclusion. That's what makes them sound. Find me an unsound argument she made, please
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"Please, wade through this field of shit to find the golden nugget that I swear exists somewhere, honest."

How about you clean the shit off first.
 
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mixed_biscuits said:
If that were the case, they would be expressed clearly; she's either a good thinker hampered by terrible writing or a bad thinker

She's not talking about anything complicated ffs - it should be clear
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Truth =/= clarity. Again, if you think everything can be expressed clearly, just give up trying to read continental philosophy, it's not for you. And you have no right to criticize it.

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@malelesbian Has *anyone* set out her argument in a step-by-step formal fashion?
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I could easily do so. Indeed, earlier in the thread, I wrote a detailed step-by-step numbered list of my own Butlerian argument and everyone ignored it. Just tell me what argument you want to learn about.
 
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malelesbian said:
Truth =/= clarity. Again, if you think everything can be expressed clearly, just give up trying to read continental philosophy, it's not for you. And you have no right to criticize it.


I could easily do so. Indeed, earlier in the thread, I wrote a detailed step-by-step numbered list of my own Butlerian argument and everyone ignored it. Just tell me what argument you want to learn about.
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stfu I have an MA in continental philosophy, you clown
 
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mixed_biscuits said:
stfu I have an MA in continental philosophy
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from where? and despite you supposed credentials, you've shown literally no understanding of continental philosophy. if you know so much about the continentals why do you copy the worst tendencies of analytic philosophy? and why do you not atleast read butler before you criticize them?
 
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malelesbian said:
from where? and despite you supposed credentials, you've shown literally no understanding of continental philosophy. if you know so much about the continentals why do you copy the worst tendencies of analytic philosophy? and why do you not atleast read butler before you criticize them?
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Your writing is disintegrating.
 
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mixed_biscuits said:
You can neither state the basic argument nor find anyone putting it in clear terms.
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What basic argument? They made many arguments, I'm asking you to pick one. But you can't because you never read them. And again I have no interest in clarifying continental philosophy, Butler or otherwise
 
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