Homophobia and Phallic Culture in Hip Hop

[malelesbian]

but it's always been 5

Do you have an interview or some other kind of evidence that confirms this?

 

[william_kent]

Do you have an interview or some other kind of evidence that confirms this?

oh come on, I'm extremely drunk and you're asking for citations?

 

[malelesbian]

oh come on, I'm extremely drunk and you're asking for citations?

Reply at your own pace haha. Wait until your sober if you need to

 

[william_kent]

I did attempt to recover my copy of the KRS-ONE, DA TEACHA, THE FIRST INSTRUMENT GOSPEL OF HIP HOP from some perilous stack of books

and even he is confused

4 elements? ( I listed those )

but then he talks about 8?

and then 9?







tired and emotional at this point

 

[malelesbian]

I'm actually familiar with KRS-One's idiosyncratic view that there are 9 elements. He even wrote a song about it.

 

[william_kent]

I'm actually familiar with KRS-One's idiosyncratic view that there are 9 elements. He wrote a song about it.

and 5th in his list is "beatboxin'"

so da teacha vindicates my assertion

 

[malelesbian]

Fair point, but he also includes street knowledge.

 

[william_kent]

not in the first five though

his list:

1: breakdancing
2: MC'ing
3: Graf
4: DJ'ing
5: beatboxin'

etc.,

 

[malelesbian]

My guess is that beat boxing doesn't get brought up as much any more because too few people do it. Records dominate hip hop and the only people I can think of who beat box on records are Doug E. Fresh and Timbaland

 

[william_kent]

he even includes BMX later on

non-canonical

 

[malelesbian]

he even includes BMX later on

non-canonical

And skateboarding! KRS understood intersectionality early, I guess. Remember, KRS defined "hip hop" as a hip movement, a youth movement. In that way we can say that all youth movements are connected by a kind of intersectionality.

 

[william_kent]

My guess is that beat boxing doesn't get brought up as much any more because too few people do it. Records dominate hip hop and the only people I can think of who beat box on records are Doug E. Fresh and Timbaland

oh come on


Biz Markie - Make the Music

foundational

i thought you grew up with this, being from ny and all

 

[malelesbian]

oh come on


Biz Markie - Make the Music

foundational

Good point but it still kind of proves my point that mostly only 80s artists beatboxed.

 

[william_kent]

Good point but it still kind of proves my point that mostly only 80s artists beatboxed.

because drum machines were really fucking expensive back then

you could get a PhD on the subject if you did your research

 

[malelesbian]

because drum machines were really fucking expensive back then

you could get a PhD on the subject if you did your research

Good point. Hmmm maybe I should write a dissertation on hip hop. I've been meaning to read The Signifying Monkey for a long time...

And for the record, the only Biz song I grew up with was "Just a Friend". I grew up in the glam/bling era, when 50 Cent ruled the charts.

 

[william_kent]

I have a boring tale of how I was reading this book on a train

and some drunk guy sat next to me and he could still focus and he started letting loose on me

"disgusting"

"filth"

 

[malelesbian]

I have a boring tale of how I was reading this book on a train

and some drunk guy sat next to me and he could still focus and he started letting loose on me

"disgusting"

"filt

The Dozens are super-fascinating. Most American music has its roots in slave music too.

 

[william_kent]

did you notice the "I'd do your daddy" insults in the text I quoted?

ambiguous roots of rap

 

[william_kent]

Rudy Ray Moore - Dolemite - Signifying Monkey

He was never married and had no kids. I heard rumors over the years that Rudy was gay but I never saw any evidence of it. I have heard stories and have found now that the accusations were correct. I have footage of interviews with people outing him and if you listen to his comedy he does make reference to it. He also signed two drag queens to his label and had gay male actors in his movies. There were only three men around Rudy who weren’t gay. But I never knew this until his co-star and friend Jimmy Lynch told me. Then I believed it. Rudy did a very good job of covering it up.

endorsed by snitch dogg


Rudy Ray Moore on Arsenio

teh ghey roots of hip hop

 

[william_kent]

of course this is just an excuse to post the greatest "just say no! don't do drugs!" movie of all time

ever!


Dolemite - Disco Godfather





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