being intimately involved with the UK left

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Peter Oborne's been getting a bit like Hitchens since he turned his ire on vast swathes of the British media.
 
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Benny B said:
I pretty much agree with you about drugs. I don't really know much about Bastani but he certainly looks sweaty and bloated in that video so you're probably right.

One of the advantages Hitchens has when he's debating these type of lefties is that he used to be heavily involved in revolutionary socialism himself when he was young. That, and the decades of experience in journalism since then, including covering the 80s industrial disputes and living in Moscow when the Soviet Union collapsed.

It's more an interview rather than a debate really, but Bastani still shows himself up. You saying he's some kind of masochist? Interesting.
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debating is for fools. That applies as much to Bastani as it does Hitchens. Insofar as debating (more correctly dissent) can be useful, it can be for
scientific purposes, I.E: internal organisational arguments and contentious discussions to arrive at the correct orientation. Otherwise it's just so much hot air.

There's no reason to censor debates, because they inter alia indicate a position of defeat, not strength. Whether Hitchens shows up decrepit bourgeois imperialists such as Bastani is just so much mental masturbation. The right also get off on this spectacle of debating. All renegades do. There will be no debates in socialism! Even Stalinists can try to create debate societies, but noone will give a damn.
 
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I haven't worked out how to describe it yet, maybe someone else has come up with a term for it, but it's part of a broader phenomenon that takes in the therapy language I was grimacing at shaka using on the previous page and the examples posted in the Twitter style and tone thread and 'Actioning a blue-skies approach outside the box'.

It's for another thread, really, but it's clearly something to do with our current flavour of liberalism and the way everyone's expected to be their own brand and 'optimise' themselves. The extension of a grating amalgamation of the business pitch and the therapy session into every aspect of life. Everything filtered through this horrible blend of cloying sentiment and antiseptic professionalism and focused on individual development as though you're perpetually in a boardroom discussing a piece of tech aimed at children.
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You too can be an Ian Dunt if you know how
 
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I expect the Novara/Corbynites axis will be increasingly heavily promoted up til the election, especially the more bonkers and toxic aspects, in order to distract from actual politics, discourage voters on the left and inflame voters on the right and centre
 
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Is there a conspicuous lack of media interest in the inevitable election next year and almost certain change of regime?
Definitely compared to the US where things seem to be getting intense already

A good strategy for the Tories will be to call the election at short notice around a big issue like for example entering the war in ukraine, that could still swing it for them
 
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sufi said:
I expect the Novara/Corbynites axis will be increasingly heavily promoted up til the election, especially the more bonkers aspects, in order to distract from actual politics, discourage voters on the left and inflame voters on the right and centre
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former ilx poster, apparently. Because I refuse to debate I can state that róısín Terfy has not made a single good record in her life and nothing can convince me otherwise, not even getting insulted by Benny's former mates over there. Life is good.
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The Guardian gave that album five stars despite the TERF stuff. I'd have thought they'd have panned it on ideological grounds.
 
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Lol I had a scan through that ilx Roisin Murphy thread the other day out of curiosity - bunch of absolute lunatics
 
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The Guardian gave that album five stars despite the TERF stuff. I'd have thought they'd have panned it on ideological grounds.
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What on earth made your runny bumbaclaat think that? You've been taking the farts of people on here too seriously.
 
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Benny B said:
Lol I had a scan through that ilx Roisin Murphy thread the other day out of curiosity - bunch of absolute lunatics
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wind your neck in they were your mates, not mine. you flirted with them, and you are now disowning them for political reasons, so much for leftist intolerance, you play the same game. There is one word for this: coward!
 
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the biggest lie I have ever heard. I have receipts. But like I said, she never made a good record. she should have been cancelled in 1994 before her repulsive transphobia for the inane chat up line of 'do you like my tight sweater? see how it fits my body.'

But all Brits (such as yerself) and Irish can do is imitate what black people did 50 years ago. At least Italians put their own spin on it. Chas and Dave should have been a good jumping off point, but you hated Scottish hardcore, so afro-american orientalist, really.

You need to come to terms with the fact that not only can you never encounter a truly sophisticated and cultured woman to date, but that you are congenitally incapable of having refined taste in music. Just like your comrade malelesbian, you wallow in narcissistic petit-bourgeois individualistic muck. go back to banging on your basic drums and lamenting about how you are really misunderstood, man.
 
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This is surely the only stuff worth doing, if you're going to do something. Someone managing to unionise even one workplace strikes me as doing far more good than Aaron Bastani publishing a manifesto and interviewing his mates on a podcast.
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Weird binary you set up here, they do both dont they? Educate young people on how to set up unions too. Have you been to any union meets organised by old public sector types? Not great I’ll tell ya. We’re in the biggest wave of strikes in our lifetime and Novara do some of the best reporting and activism around it so don’t see your point here tbh
 
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