london finance bro taxonomy

[shakahislop]

our boy gazza would say that these people's wealth is in asset ownership not in income, and that you can't just leave the uk and not pay tax because you can't move your assets out of the country. coz that's what you're profiting off. best example being property ownership obviously

 

[version]

our boy gazza would say that these people's wealth is in asset ownership not in income, and that you can't just leave the uk and not pay tax because you can't move your assets out of the country. coz that's what you're profiting off. best example being property ownership obviously

Any government moving to seize those assets would find their opposition absolutely flooded with financial support, possibly be dragged through the courts and experience a massive amount of pressure from the US, China, Russia, the Gulf states.

 

[IdleRich]

Nobody is talking about seizing them, just taxing them.

 

[version]

Fair. I think my point still stands though. The wave of support and resources that would come Reform and the Tories' way would be difficult to deal with.

 

[IdleRich]

Yeah probably true, same as all those people who won't even be affected by inheritance tax losing their shit over it.

 

[luka]

I generally think picking a few fights would be postive. Even if you lose you can potentially gain something even if it just helps to clarify who the enemy is, the tactics they use, the weapons they have available and how far theyre prepared to go

 

[shakahislop]

Fair. I think my point still stands though. The wave of support and resources that would come Reform and the Tories' way would be difficult to deal with.

yes this is part of the overall political problem isn't it, the balance of forces

 

[luka]

And if you win, you win. You dont know till you try

 

[IdleRich]

I concur.

 

[shakahislop]

loads of interesting things about gazza. his book is really good. as a story of class jumping. loads of parallels to the second dizzee album. he said he tried his hand at grime as well

 

[shakahislop]

his descriptions of trying to do politics and advocacy before starting his youtube rabble rousing and annoying version with thumbnails ring very true he says he did think tanks the guardian etc and that everyone there was posh and no-one had any experience of what they were talking about all that rings true. there's a difference between fighting for yourself and your people and fighting on behalf of an abstract idea you can see it so clearly

 

[luka]

What does this mean?

there's a difference between fighting for yourself and your people and fighting on behalf of an abstract idea you can see it so clearly

 

[shakahislop]

What does this mean?

there's a difference between fighting for yourself and your people and fighting on behalf of an abstract idea you can see it so clearly

in politics i mean. when you're in it or even just having a discussion and you're talking about wanting change because it affects you specifically. when you've lived it. it's a totally different thing to having a discussion and advocating on behalf of someone else. for something like poverty and inequality you can see the difference between the few people who get into public fora who have actually lived it. and the people who don't have that immediate experience. but it applies to everything. one of the blindingly obvious things about what passes for a left in the UK at least the media bit is that they're pretty comfortable and they're doing it all on behalf of someone else. it's the biggest weakness of the whole thing

 

[version]

he says he did think tanks the guardian etc and that everyone there was posh and no-one had any experience of what they were talking about

I remember seeing a clip of him on Novara where he said the economists he dealt with at uni were seemingly incapable of thinking outside their models. If the reality didn't fit the model then they'd discard reality.

 

[IdleRich]

And if you win, you win. You dont know till you try

I said I agree but I think if they do go for it they should dress it up better than "It might work you never know"

 

[version]

I generally think picking a few fights would be postive. Even if you lose you can potentially gain something even if it just helps to clarify who the enemy is, the tactics they use, the weapons they have available and how far theyre prepared to go

Labour did that with the WFA and are looking to do it with the NIMBYs.

 

[IdleRich]

his descriptions of trying to do politics and advocacy before starting his youtube rabble rousing and annoying version with thumbnails ring very true he says he did think tanks the guardian etc and that everyone there was posh and no-one had any experience of what they were talking about all that rings true. there's a difference between fighting for yourself and your people and fighting on behalf of an abstract idea you can see it so clearly

Dunno why he's suddenly stopped punctuating but i think he's trying to say that it's clear to see there is a difference between fighting for your people and fighting for an abstract idea.

 

[luka]

Labour did that with the WFA and are looking to do it with the NIMBYs.

? What are these things?

 

[IdleRich]

Do I have to explain everything to you?

Not In My Back Yard and, er, something else.

 

[version]

? What are these things?

WFA = Winter Fuel Allowance, i.e. money given to pensioners by the government to help with their heating bill.
NIMBY = Not In My Back Yard, i.e. people who block things being built in their area.