mixed_biscuits

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I never felt more of a transTurk than yesterday evening, wearing my pantolonlar and tulum with a delicious plate of traditional Balık ve cips and luxuriating in every sip of my Gazlı içecek. I would have loved to celebrate with my cis-Turk brothers but sadly Turkey got stuffed.
 

Corpsey

bandz ahoy
Not watched any of this, aside from an appallingly boring England match which I believe ended in a 0-0 draw (*can't even remember)

But I did enjoy reading about Ronaldo being a shadow of his former self + massive narcissist

Probably because of the way he's written about as a sort of Greek demigod but it feels like the stuff of grand Tragedy
 

Corpsey

bandz ahoy
Not watched any of this, aside from an appallingly boring England match which I believe ended in a 0-0 draw (*can't even remember)

But I did enjoy reading about Ronaldo being a shadow of his former self + massive narcissist

Probably because of the way he's written about as a sort of Greek demigod but it feels like the stuff of grand Tragedy
I suppose the story/ies around football are essential to its interest, really. In the abstract the game is often quite dull but if you're invested in the whole world/story of it (i.e. you like/dislike players and teams) you become invested and every single touch of the ball is freighted with significance, agony, joy...
 

mixed_biscuits

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I suppose the story/ies around football are essential to its interest, really. In the abstract the game is often quite dull but if you're invested in the whole world/story of it (i.e. you like/dislike players and teams) you become invested and every single touch of the ball is freighted with significance, agony, joy...
Yes, it's soap opera for men.
 

mixed_biscuits

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That's not to say that men's soap opera is women's soap opera in disguise and vice versa...each reflects sex differentiated concerns and values: women's soap operas focus on interpersonal relationships within the family or with a view to family formation, whereas men's football fixes on interpersonal relationships in the service of martial goals: loyalty to a flag or to an idea enacted territorially with a view to laying siege to an enemy and diminishing their status and resources.
 

william kent

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Remember the last time the Dutch and Spanish met in a final?

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yyaldrin

in je ogen waait de wind
yeh i remember that robben shot that casillas stopped with his toe so well. but holland had a great team back then.
 

Corpsey

bandz ahoy
I tuned in last night out of boredom and it turned out to be a quite exciting game.

I even glanced up occasionally. I just about caught that amazing goal curling in.
 

Corpsey

bandz ahoy
Although a goal like that IS beautiful and amazing given the moment/pressure etc. I can't help but think he's probably scored that exact same goal about ten thousand times in training, probably with loads of sensors attached to him like Andy Serkis playing Gollum, and so I'm less impressed
 

Corpsey

bandz ahoy
I'm influenced here by a friend of mine who is into football but often bemoans how all the players now are hothoused in academies and so are no longer ugly alcoholics who occasionally perform acts of wizardy
 

william kent

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I'm influenced here by a friend of mine who is into football but often bemoans how all the players now are hothoused in academies and so are no longer ugly alcoholics who occasionally perform acts of wizardy

True, although one of the first people to bring that sort of thing to English football was actually Big Sam Allardyce.

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mixed_biscuits

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I'm influenced here by a friend of mine who is into football but often bemoans how all the players now are hothoused in academies and so are no longer ugly alcoholics who occasionally perform acts of wizardy
There don't seem to be any of this type in non-league either, partly because non-league is groaning with ex academy players from the EFL.
 

IdleRich

IdleRich
Although a goal like that IS beautiful and amazing given the moment/pressure etc. I can't help but think he's probably scored that exact same goalisw about ten thousand times in training, probably with loads of sensors attached to him like Andy Serkis playing Gollum, and so I'm less impressed
Yeah... but anyone in the world could theoretically train like that and he's better than all of them. At sixteen. Also cos of the nature of football every single moment is slightly different, you can't practise literally the same thing like a tennis serve or a snooker break or whatever. That's part of the beauty of football compared to more regimented sports. And he pulled it off in front of a huge crowd - which makes a difference, see how snooker players missones they could hit fifty times in a row at home - with a load of the other best players in the world trying to stop him.

That said, corners bug me, they are one dead ball you CAN drill perfectly cos unlike freekicks etc you know exactly where the ball will be. You got some guy earning fucking 50k a day who should have the time and inclination to practise it a billion times until it cannot possibly go wrong... yet still they balloon it into the crowd, well, I dunno how often, but one time is too many.

I saw a series called Lincoln Lawyer and in one bit this guy was drilling free throws for basketball. He said "I don't even like the game but i wanna do this to satisfy myself that there is no excuse for them to miss these. Ever. Same shot every time from same spot, no challenge - I find it insulting when a multimillionaire paid to do that contrives to miss". Which I guess is the same point.

In basketball can you sub players off and then bring em back on? If so why not develop a free-throw specialist who never ever misses?"
 

sufi

lala
Although a goal like that IS beautiful and amazing given the moment/pressure etc. I can't help but think he's probably scored that exact same goal about ten thousand times in training, probably with loads of sensors attached to him like Andy Serkis playing Gollum, and so I'm less impressed
andy serkis was at glasto playing saxophone with nitin sawhney did you see him?
 
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