The Culture War is Over

[Benny Bunter]

So why bother use it? Better to kick it into the dust.

 

[version]

Fair enough, but it's still vague and unhelpful. "Differing political opinions"? How do you define it?

It is difficult to define as everything seems to fall under 'culture'. The Wiki definition sufi posted seems pretty good, tbh. That a culture war in our time is when the ongoing ideological struggle erupts into polarising 'hot button' social issues exacerbated by media.

 

[Benny Bunter]

But is that anything new?

 

[Clinamenic]

I think the term 'culture war' is substantive, just a bit dramatic if anything. I also think, to a large extent, it is much about vibes as about actual policy. Seems like one of the bigger motivations for the conservative swing in US is the gestalt/abstract feeling that a "way of life" is being eaten away at, in a manner which doesn't cleanly reduce to concrete policy examples.

Same for progressives, just in a different way. Seems like many of the progressives I know are upset not because their material circumstances are gonna be much different under Trump 2.0, but just that it entails a vibeshift they find unpalatable.

 

[version]

But is that anything new?

Were any of us claiming it was? The term/concept goes back to at least 1871 according to sufi's Wiki link.

 

[Clinamenic]

I think the term 'culture war' is substantive, just a bit dramatic if anything. I also think, to a large extent, it is much about vibes as about actual policy. Seems like one of the bigger motivations for the conservative swing in US is the gestalt/abstract feeling that a "way of life" is being eaten away at, in a manner which doesn't cleanly reduce to concrete policy examples.

Same for progressives, just in a different way. Seems like many of the progressives I know are upset not because their material circumstances are gonna be much different under Trump 2.0, but just that it entails a vibeshift they find unpalatable.

People like feeling that their worldview is the prevailing worldview, which is a largely abstract sensation which can, to a large extent, be divorced from material reality via simulation.

 

[Benny Bunter]

Were any of us claiming it was? The term/concept goes back to at least 1871 according to sufi's Wiki link.

I didnt know it was so old tbh, but surely its only come into general use relatively recently.

 

[version]

Sorrry, I don't
Understand this type of philosophical writing style,it just goes straight over my head

We should perhaps have another thread for it, but it's basically saying you have things and you have things which refer to them, e.g. an apple and a picture of an apple. What's being described in the quote is when one of those things doesn't actually refer to anything, e.g. a picture of or word for something which doesn't exist.

 

[william_kent]

the name. "CULTURE WAR", is like what a sub-par ANARCHO PUNK band would call itself in the 80s

I have a pile of not worthy of the shelves vinyl in my toilet, some of which I 'inherited" through unfortunate "unaliving" incidents in YouTube speak



and buried in the mound are a couple of SUBHUMANS albums I've been intending to transfer to my "shelves" but there isn't room - I liked the SUBHUMANS, especially the title of the "TIME FLIES...BUT AEROPLANES CRASH" record and "CRADLE TO THE GRAVE" is also a favourite... but they broke up and DICK FROM THE SUBHUMANS formed a new band "CULTURE SHOCK"

and..

we went to see them at the Boardwalk in Manchester

first few seconds were promising, the bassist started playing the bass line to "LEE SCRATCH PERRY ON THE WIRE", the theme tune to the legendary ( in my mind ) Blackburn local radio show



Lee Perry - On The Wire

but then DICK FROM THE SUBHUMANS took the mic and then they played tunes from "Go Wild" and the CRUSTY CLASSIC "ONWARDS & UPWARDS"

ONWARDS & UPWARDS

A BUMMER MAN!

this is buried in the toilet pile, I fucking hate this album, at one point on the estate where I lived where basically every flat was a squat because either it was squatted OR no one was paying rent, same difference

you could walk around that estate in 1988 and apart from THE KITCHEN every other flat was blasting out CULTURE SHOCK, more like anaphylactic shock as tongues swelled and throats constricted due to bathtub speed gone wrong

I fucking hated that album

Discogs pigeonholes it as "PUNK SKA"

but it was worse

consigned to the bottom of the pile in my toilet, I only have a copy due to death of friends

more rants, etc

 

[version]

Would Mark call it a 'k-war'?

 

[Benny Bunter]

We should perhaps have another thread for it, but it's basically saying you have things and you have things which refer to them, e.g. an apple and a picture of an apple. What's being described in the quote is when one of those things doesn't actually refer to anything, e.g. a picture of or word for something which doesn't exist.

Thanks. I don't think it's beyond me, but I have a few on board and don't have the patience to get my head round it right now

 

[Clinamenic]

Would Mark call it a 'k-war'?

Kubernetic Kulture Research Unit

 

[Benny Bunter]

I instinctively hate the term itself though. It doesn't explain or define anything.

 

[version]

Thanks. I don't think it's beyond me, but I have a few on board and don't have the patience to get my head round it right now

I might open a Moretti after I finish exercising.

 

[mixed_biscuits]

I might open a Moretti after I finish exercising.

Wrong way round.