Elijah
Butterz
http://relay.exequo.org/rinsefm/podcast/ElijahSkilliam281010.mp3 - Skilliam b2b Spyro
The biggest Grime tune of the year is finally out on vinyl
Spooky - Spartan
Great remix by Martelo on the flip and Top 3 Selected as well.
Oneman, Ben UFO, Skilliam, Elijah - 11-1 Rinse FM Tonight
I also disagree with it, like elijah hasn't downloaded stuff in the past. I think he should rather focus on building a purchasing culture in the scene rather than hounding down the people that do download, cos I do it, should I be banned from grimeforum?
I don't download grime but I download music from other genres. If I was releasing music I couldn't stand up and berate everyone who did to me because that would be hypocritical. You've misinterpreted my comment I didnt say that you wern't promoting a purchasing culture but banning people from grimeforum who download music you've released, doesn't solve anything at all.
banning people from grimeforum who download music you've released, doesn't solve anything at all.
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no one will be able to stem the tide that P2P has created but in niche communities of likeminded enthusiasts that include producers as well as consumers it's important key people stand up for what cultural norms are acceptable and what are not.
I agree with promoting cultural norms in a community, but I don't really see that cohering with having one guy who weighs up how well each member of that community lives up the those norms and then accepting or exiling them based on that judgement. That's not really a community at all, that's a private club.
what would you suggest, everyone on grime forum takes a vote? nice in principle, completely impractical in the real world. forums need mods.
Elijah, the problem is that you actually have no real assurance at all about the intentions of somebody to actually buy the product after downloading it. And this is besides the point that I think it's pretty small minded to go rooting out offenders based on the fact alone that they have accounts on both puregrime and grimeforum. I can assure you that virtually everyone on grimeforum does, whether they admit it or not.
As much as you might hate P2P culture, it exists and it isn't going anywhere. I find it very hard to believe you don't have any music on your computer that hasn't been acquired this way. The fact is that everyone has x amount of money to spend on music, and if they don't think your record is worth it, they aren't going to buy it. However, they might spend their money on other music, maybe even other grime music. If they don't think your record is worth buying, will they download it anyway? Sure. Why? Because they can. And this is something everyone does because to purchase every piece of music you had the smallest amount of interest in would cost more money than you make. I don't need to explain this to you, because I don't really for a second believe that you don't or have never done this. And if by some chance you haven't, I can guarantee you that your ethics do not at all represent the ethics of the majority of grime forum, or even the grime scene.
The other dodgy part is that this only really seemed to become a problem for you when it became about YOUR record. The guy in question here probably WOULD support your releases (when he found out about the digital release anyway) because he's a fan of your show and the stuff you guys play, but this really is besides the point. Maybe he thought your record WASN'T worth paying for. Maybe he'd take that money and spend it on Ghetto's new mixtape or something. It is not your decision to make about whether that was the right decision.
I realize you put in a lot of hard work, and so the issue of downloading gets closer to home when you are so closely connected to it. But what you're doing is sanctimonious and alienating and the opposite of building a community. Believe it or not, people will resent you spending your leisure time digging up scant details about their lives and then passing judgement on them. If you make it personal, they'll probably start making their decisions whether or not to buy your records personal as well.