Modern Dub

[T3000]

modern Dub

Hello. New here. Great site and good spread of intelligent opinion.
Just wanted to chuck the name Iration Steppas into the mix. Killer modern dub and a wicked sound system to boot.

Anyone know the best place to pick up alot of modern stuff? the shops in London understandably specialise in the old stuff or new JA sounds, but british / European Dub is scarce. or what are the best shops online?

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[john eden]

Hello. New here. Great site and good spread of intelligent opinion.
Just wanted to chuck the name Iration Steppas into the mix. Killer modern dub and a wicked sound system to boot.

Anyone know the best place to pick up alot of modern stuff? the shops in London understandably specialise in the old stuff or new JA sounds, but british / European Dub is scarce. or what are the best shops online?

ta

T

Yeah I know what you mean about shops in London! Online check out http://www.reggaemusicstore.com/ which is run by Steve Mosco aka Jah Warrior. Or buy from stalls at sessions I guess...

 

[bassnation]

I wouldn't consider it at all essential, but (redundant statement ahead) that comes down to taste.

the first rhythm & sound compilation cd is totally essential. as you say, it all comes down to taste, but arguing about taste is why we are here, right?

for me, the warm, organic and fuzzy dub of that first collection brings back specific memories of the birth of my first child. we used to play that cd a lot when my wife was pregnant, and even during the birth. even five years on, my son will get sleepy if i play it.

"never tell" is sublime, its one of the few tunes i could probably listen to forever without getting bored.

i think the early stuff is far superior to the later collection - but thats maybe because the whole sound isn't so new anymore. love paul st.hillaires voice too.

 

[matt b]

I love the Jah Warrior bass sound...whoever masters that stuff is a genuis. Manages to make even a shitty home stereo shake like a proper PA without actually damaging the cones.

recently nearly all uk digidub / modern roots, including jah warriors' stuff has been mastered by russ d (disciples). HEAVY.

spam: my 'love thy neighbour' mix featured quite a lot of modern uk roots, my latest one a touch.

 

[3underscore]

There are - I think - two Burial Mix compilation CDs that cover most of output from the 10" releases...one CD of just the dubs and one 'with the artists'. I'd probably go for the artists version first, as many of the vocals are too good to miss out on. Personal favorites are probably the vocal version of 'King In My Empire' (feat. Cornel Campbell) and the dub of 'Never Tell' (which has this beautiful twisting bassline).

Right - I got to a point of being pretty anal on the Burial Mixes, so for matter of point:

The compilations "Artists" & "Versions" cover the A and B side of about the last 8/9 10" singles (every 10" had the artist side and a dub). Matter of choice to pick on those, but the Artist side is more immediately accessible. "Mash Down Babylon" is an absolute gem.

There are two others they have released in compilation I believe - a collection of all the early 10" that featured Tikiman (great, but not as much variation as on "Artists" due to it just being St Paul Hilaire), and also the "See Mi Yah" set, with several artists over four variations of the same dub-track (Sugar Minnot is brilliant on this).

For me, the difference between the Burial Mix and releases on Rhythm & Sound are pretty clear - the Burial Mixes are an awful lot more heavy to my mind - more claustrophobic. Rhythm & Sound I wouldn't consider to be fully dub in the context here, but that is more my opinion on the sound and feel.

If you are passionate, pick up which ones you prefer on the 10" press - the D&M pressing, vinyl weight and speed really pick up the power on the tunes.

I can conclude that I defy anyone not to love "with the Artists" - I have bought it for several people with incredible success, even though they never really listened to that type of thing. To call it modern is a bit weird - Burial Mixes seem to be designed to seem ageless.

 

[sufi]

Zulu Warriors "Warrior Dub"

This is 1 album i've had for years that i have never heard matched in Modern Dub category, dunno exactly who it's by, tho diligent searching on the web reveals its something to do with... jah warrior of course, along with someone called napthali, it's not in his usual discography tho and it's far out of print for years and years, my copy is vinyl, scratched to feck thru years of love....
was it ever released on cd?? i've mashed it onto mp3 years ago, but the quality is not good - have anyone got a copy or info on more of this type or even heard of this magical mythical record????

 

[matt b]

its something to do with... jah warrior of course, along with someone called napthali [...]or info on more of this type?

there's a great naph-tali lp produced by jah warrior called 'one of these days'- highly recommended

 

[mms]

sterotyp and al haca soundsystem are rated too

al haca's version of bug's killer is ace
new album out soon i think

 

[Dubquixote]

Viagra Opus has my curiosity aroused... Badawi is such an original artist. I've liked 5 out 6 things I've heard from him. the cover looks dodgey though... is the entire album quality?

There's a few tracks on there that I usually skip, but on the whole it's quality. Very very original use of digital sounds in a dubbed out way. If you loved Bedouin Sound Clash (which, btw, is getting a re-issue and is a completely essential dub record from about 8 yrs ago), then Viagara Opus is definitely worth checking. The screwball album art and song titles are downright strange, but overall rather meaningless since it's an instrumental dub record. I bought it expecting Badawi doing dancehall, but in the end was happy to have been misled (though a Badawi dancehall record is something to hope for).

 

[the undisputed truth]

I too discovered the soporific effects of dub with my kids...

...soon as the bass kicked in they would just go all quiet and listen then slowly nod off

now it's all about crazy frog...

 

[ripley]

yes indeed, Al Haca could be included.. They have a lot more vocals than a lot of dub, and are often more bumpin' rhythm-wise, and the recent live show had RQM Mc-ing over almost all of it, which puts it into weird dubbed out hip-hop territory..
but are definitely closer to dub than most other sounds. Pretty unique, great guest vocalists.. quality stuff

new album(s) out, more info here/

also, as soon as Rhythm+Sound come up, then Deadbeat comes up. lovely!

Also (less digi, more live) : Twilight Circus Dub Sound System (based in Netherlands) and Dub Trio (NY), and I've just started listening to Jah Coozi although that leans further into the (dreaded) 'trip-hop' genre.

 

[dave]

Yet another post.. before discogs.com really fired up I considered circonium.de to be a really good source of info about the Basic Channel affiliated labels and other German dub techno related labels.

http://www.circonium.de/music/index.html

... and now basic channel have their own site too. check this page for the burial mix stuff. w/ the artists is soooooooo good.

 

[dave]

if you ever in NZ around the nu year check out

http://www.kaikourarootsfest.co.nz/

chur

i'm hoping to get there this year. the lineup on the first night is nuts
fat freddy's drop
king kapisi
shapeshifter
digital

 

[Woebot]

Digidub: South of the River Thames

Does anyone remember this crusty/squat LP from the early nineties? It had a silkscreen cover. Sold my copy ages ago. Nice violins on it.

 

[john eden]

Digidub: South of the River Thames

Does anyone remember this crusty/squat LP from the early nineties? It had a silkscreen cover. Sold my copy ages ago. Nice violins on it.

Heh - they did some record as a tribute to Tennents Drinkers iirc. I've not heard any of it, but he is an interesting case of someone moving from industrial music into Jah Shaka. He's also done some experimental stuff - field recordings on the Thames etc.

“It all began with punk music when I was young. Then I was into electronic music, things like early Cabaret Voltaire, A Certain Ratio, and Throbbing Gristle stuff that was just electronic noise. One day I went to see Shaka as he was playing locally in South East London and I couldn’t believe it was the same thing - he was swinging off delays and the sound system was sounding like it was gonna get up and run away with the bass going. It was the pure roar of electronic pounding noise, and for me it was really out there and and doing something really different to anything I had heard before. […] It was a sort of an underground scene and you felt welcomed and the music was good.
Lee Digidub interviewed in Step Forward issue 2.

 

[Dubquixote]

It just occurred to me that Richard H. Kirk's Sandoz album 'Chant to Jah: Sandoz in Dub' is worth adding to the list of interesting and slept-on new-ish dub records. Also quite dancefloor friendly.

 

[PeteUM]

now you're talking. every Rhythm and Sound release has been quality, start anywhere - the self titled is all instrumental, With the Artists is all vocal, and the most recent one is single riddim with different vocalists.

http://basicchannel.com/

been meaning to get the Mainstreet compilation available on CD... but it's $19.00. anyone heard it? should I pull out my credit card and head straight for Amazon.com right now?

also, a while ago I caught wind that Sahko, home of Pan Sonic, is starting a sub-label focusing on dub-related projects, anyone know what is going on with this ?? ? ? ? ? ???? ?? ? ? ?? ? ?? ? ? ? ???? ? ?

Not sure if this is what you mean but Ilpo Vaisanen has a label called Kangaroo. I've got the first two 10"s (which are made to look authentically Jamaican, apparently) and I rate them...dubby if not strictly dub.

 

[owen]

there's a wonderful penman piece on Rhythm and Sound which sadly i don't think is online--they definitely fit the perameters of 'hauntology' anyhow...retro but somehow reconstellating.

 

[zhao]

Not sure if this is what you mean but Ilpo Vaisanen has a label called Kangaroo. I've got the first two 10"s (which are made to look authentically Jamaican, apparently) and I rate them...dubby if not strictly dub.

just tried to look for Kangaroo but the only thing that came up was an Australian punk/metal label... there are some odd tracks here and there on Pan Sonic's output that were very much dub... for instance this strange song at the end of disc 2 of the "Rough Mechanic" CD which documents live collaborations... and another one I remember was on a solo disc by one of them boys... deep oceanic dub.

Frank Bretschneider, who is part of the Raster Noton crew, has always done really nice and sparse dubby things. especially in some of his earlier guises the Ja influence was very pronounced.

how do people feel about Mateo-sound?

oh my lord Richard H. Kirk's 'Chant to Jah: Sandoz in Dub' was such a collosal dissapointment... probably the worst record on Soul Jazz. (there went another $16.00 wasted)

 

[Landfill Elektronikz]

It just occurred to me that Richard H. Kirk's Sandoz album 'Chant to Jah: Sandoz in Dub' is worth adding to the list of interesting and slept-on new-ish dub records. Also quite dancefloor friendly.

True 'nuff - respect to Kirky each and every...

oh my lord Richard H. Kirk's 'Chant to Jah: Sandoz in Dub' was such a collosal dissapointment... probably the worst record on Soul Jazz. (there went another $16.00 wasted)

Bah!