Why Conspiracy Theories?

Mr. Tea

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vershy versh said:
If this is true then it's horrifying, and if it isn't true then this woman is horrifyingly mentally ill. Either way, a very sad story.

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Given what they did to Frank Olson and others, it wouldn't surprise me if this were all, or mostly, true.

The CIA at that time was obsessed with the idea that their Soviet counterparts had successfully created real-life Manchurian Candidates who could be programmed to do certain things, like a robot, without having any conscious knowledge of it, so they felt they needed to do the same. But of course it's impossible, because human brains just don't work like that.
 
qwerty south

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Peter Power, one time high ranking employee of Scotland Yard and member of its Anti-Terrorist Branch, reported in two major UK media outlets that his company Visor Consulting had on the morning of 7th of July been conducting 'crisis exercises' whose scenarios uncannily mirrored those of the actual attack on 7/7/2005 in London . Very dodgy!

Coincidence of bomb exercises?

Before the discovery of the London bombers' identities, bloggers had been speculating about a large-scale bomb-simulation that took place at the same time and locations as the explosions.
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Mr. Tea

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qwerty south said:
Peter Power, one time high ranking employee of Scotland Yard and member of its Anti-Terrorist Branch, reported in two major UK media outlets that his company Visor Consulting had on the morning of 7th of July been conducting 'crisis exercises' whose scenarios uncannily mirrored those of the actual attack on 7/7/2005 in London . Very dodgy!

Coincidence of bomb exercises?

Before the discovery of the London bombers' identities, bloggers had been speculating about a large-scale bomb-simulation that took place at the same time and locations as the explosions.
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Did you actually read any of this beyond the headline?

In the frenzy of linking, cross linking and careless speculation, however, it appears most self-publishers - and Al Jazeera - failed to contact Visor to corroborate their claims. In fact, the 'exercises' he spoke of on Five Live were carried out purely 'on paper', or at least PowerPoint, by a small group of seven or eight executives (Power remains tight-lipped about the client) seeking to examine the impact on corporate decision-making of a potential crisis situation. As Fintan Dunne, editor of BreakForNews.com points out, 'these types of private-sector "risk management" drills never use field staff.

Neither do [such] low-level corporate drills have active involvement of police or other security forces.' The exercise, therefore, was 'in no way comparable to U.S. drills and wargames on 9/11 - which were being run by active-duty security forces in the U.S. military, federal agencies, the FAA and various emergency services.'

As Power explained, the London bombing scenario was in fact one of three explored: another looked at the disruption that might be caused by unruly anti-globalisation demonstrators. In no case was there any real mobilisation of physical or human resources, which makes the case for 'planned' intelligence alibi look awfully flimsy, if not downright silly.

In the light of a brief interview with Power, the 'unbelievable' coincidence of events suddenly seems entirely comprehensible: the train stations targeted, after all, were all in central London -- any planner would pick these amongst a list of possible targets.

Indeed, in developing the London bombing scenario used in this exercise, Power's consultancy drew on the sort of scenario already explored in Osiris 2, a much-publicised major exercise initiated in the City of London to simulate a poison gas attack on the underground. Power further utilised his experience of taking part in Panorama's programme 'London Under Attack', another timely simulation.

And the date? That is indeed coincidence -- but an unbelievable one? 'Every week across the UK there are probably about hundred exercises, tests and simulations going on to get crisis teams familiar with their roles,' Power insists. 'We certainly do this regularly for many clients, the vast majority of them paper-based.'

Given this, the likelihood that one such simulation should fall on the day of an actual disaster is relatively high.
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0bleak said:
might delete this soon

also forgot to mention that my grandmother (mom's side) ended up committing suicide
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One of the many crazy, fucked up things my grandmother did to my mom as revenge for running away from their house of chaos and marrying my dad was that when my mom, being the brilliant woman that she is, got a full ride scholarship to univerisity - when my grandmother learned about it, she called up the school and told them she didn't need it which was pretty sick 'cause we were poor AF. I mean, we couldn't even afford some kind of cheap-ass bread for sandwiches so if it was time when they had enough money for ketchup and mustard, you would get an "extravagant" "face" made of ketchup and mustard on your piece of bologna, and then for a treat, a flavored flintstone vitamin.
Another thing that my grandmother was doing to my mom before she ran off, was that she started keeping my mom locked in the basement at night because she was just sure, totally sure, that her dad was going to molest her otherwise if she wasn't locked up.
 
Mr. Tea

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qwerty south said:
thw "2005 emergency planning exercise ... mirrored the July 7 London bombings too closely for comfort." - nearly all the locations matched iirc (trying to find a citation)
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Well what are you saying exactly? That it was some kind of false flag?

People who lost family members in the bombings got stalked/hounded by nutters convinced their dead relatives were 'crisis actors' who were still alive somewhere. Just like what happened in the US when Alex Jones made similar claims about the Sandy Hook massacre.
 
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Mr. Tea said:
Well what are you saying exactly? That it was some kind of false flag?

People who lost family members in the bombings got stalked/hounded by nutters convinced their dead relatives were 'crisis actors' who were still alive somewhere. Just like what happened in the US when Alex Jones made similar claims about the Sandy Hook massacre.
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i've updated the post (i know the citation on the link is Alex Jones - trying to find a better one ) - it may be coincidence.
 
Mr. Tea

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Certainly sounds that way, if there are a hundred of these sorts of exercising going on every week, a pretty large fraction of which are bound to be set in London.
 
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This was common knowledge at the time, the exercise was even referred to on the morning of 7/7. I remember it all.
 
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The very first reports talked about an electrical fault affecting trains at Edgware road, etc. Then reports of explosion, and a btp spokesman mentioned that an exercise was ongoing, and may be related to that on BBC news.
 
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It was only definitely terrorism when the bus exploded a little later in full view outside the BMA.
 
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Hard to see why it would be a false flag though, the whole episode reflected very poorly on Blair and multiculturalism in general.
 
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vershy versh said:
I don't think it was a false flag, but a false flag doesn't necessarily have to come from the top.
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The apparatus of the security state multiplied several times over after the attacks, so there's a motivation, but on this occasion, they did seem to be genuine homegrown terrorists. It wouldn't be beyond the security services to let things play out to their "benefit", that seems to happen. To keep tabs on all the various cells about to do things and maybe allow a specific action to run its course would be a viable MO. Sinister, but they're not beyond using agents provocateurs to discredit protestors, it's just a more developed version of that.
 
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Very weird day that, panic absolutely everywhere, no sense of the system's ability to react at all. Being in the middle of it I would not suggest any element of "exercise" worked. We were in Oxford St when it happened- I think I was in the coffee place up the top of a waterstones- and found out what was going on through the tvs in the windows of Curry's showing Sky News (it was just pre-smartphone and no reception anyway)

Eventually managed to get upto Angel which was absolutely rammed and got very drunk
 
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