Live Earth
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If you can take back all the abuse I've suffered, by all means do, Idle! Until then, you can't possibly assume that you know what other peoples lives have been like. I'm talking about MY experiences.
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I didn't strongly imply anything but the fact that I'd experienced some shitty attitudes coming from males and some shitty things in general at the hands of men.
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Back to Live Earth....
Mr. Tea
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Back to Live Earth....
So yeah, um...I didn't actually see any of it.
I'm off to the pub.
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only three more hours till i can get obliterated fucked up myself! have fun
PS I'm sure you can see the Bono clips on youtube
PS I'm sure you can see the Bono clips on youtube
mistersloane
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Sorry, been on the phone...
I was talking about girls, specifically punk girls from London who I used to an still know, who fetishise and take boy's virginity. I think it's kinda a reclaiming of the 'I own you' stuff from men, who seem to do that alot and who see taking someone's virginity as a badge of honour. Teenage girls are frightening and ruthless in my experience. That's a compliment.
I'm kinda like a gerbil and don't hang around too many other gay men otherwise I eat them.
I don't know why men have this view of virginity - it's an age old one, no? Initiation rituals and stuff, I think it's all tied up with the supposed power released through sacrifice.
It happens with gay men ( the taking of virginity and fetishing of it ) too but I don't really wanna bring that form of sexuality into the conversation cos I've got a warped view of it and saying most of the gay men I know ( myself excepted ) would happily sleep with 12 year old boy virgins for the rest of their lives may be misread.
I wish Live Earth had been this interesting.
I was talking about girls, specifically punk girls from London who I used to an still know, who fetishise and take boy's virginity. I think it's kinda a reclaiming of the 'I own you' stuff from men, who seem to do that alot and who see taking someone's virginity as a badge of honour. Teenage girls are frightening and ruthless in my experience. That's a compliment.
I'm kinda like a gerbil and don't hang around too many other gay men otherwise I eat them.
I don't know why men have this view of virginity - it's an age old one, no? Initiation rituals and stuff, I think it's all tied up with the supposed power released through sacrifice.
It happens with gay men ( the taking of virginity and fetishing of it ) too but I don't really wanna bring that form of sexuality into the conversation cos I've got a warped view of it and saying most of the gay men I know ( myself excepted ) would happily sleep with 12 year old boy virgins for the rest of their lives may be misread.
I wish Live Earth had been this interesting.
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Your view seems very Bataille-influenced, I like it.
There's the whole "riot grrrl" movement here that might analogous to these punk girls you speak of.
Otherwise, normativity reigns supreme in the U.S. in one way; in another, everyone here is so different everyone has to accept one another and their differences at least well enough to live together.
There are quite a few evolutionary biological arguments about the "virginity" fetish, but none of them seem adequate to me. Maybe Hundredmillion is right and I'm turning into a Lacanian.
Anyway, I don't understand getting so defensive because someone talks about having bad experiences or talks about negative attitudes they've witnessed. If there's no truth in it, then why would it bother people so much?
This is like my litmus test.
There's the whole "riot grrrl" movement here that might analogous to these punk girls you speak of.
Otherwise, normativity reigns supreme in the U.S. in one way; in another, everyone here is so different everyone has to accept one another and their differences at least well enough to live together.
There are quite a few evolutionary biological arguments about the "virginity" fetish, but none of them seem adequate to me. Maybe Hundredmillion is right and I'm turning into a Lacanian.
Anyway, I don't understand getting so defensive because someone talks about having bad experiences or talks about negative attitudes they've witnessed. If there's no truth in it, then why would it bother people so much?
This is like my litmus test.
mistersloane
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Yeah pretty much, though over here the riot girls kinda got sucked into the DIY movement, the old school punks are much more about sex work and drug habits
I like this report about the Machine Gun Lesbians, but at the end all the stuff about the Pink Pistols is wrong, they're a pretty benign group, unforunately. If only they weren't. Media like this makes me happy, if there weren't MGL before this piece, there are now...it's like viral violence, but in a John Waters type of way.
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Which makes me wonder: where do the Guerilla Girls fit into this picture?
mistersloane
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They're kinda post Bikini Kill but pre Chicks on Speed, via Warhol instead of Bader Meinhof.
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Ha! I was supposed to see them perform once and skipped out, but I was in an anti-performance art feminist phase.
mistersloane
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lol I been in one of them for about twenty years now
I think I was using language sloppily. I'll try to explain my (somewhat wonky?) train of thought... It seemed like the implication of the 'if waste were worth anything...' thing was - if recycling were of utility, waste would be of value in the market as things stand - i.e. the market as it stands reflects the 'true' utility of all things - it is perfect. Do you see what I mean?
What is the alternative? Submit to the whim of a completely free market? One that can only account for immediate self-interest?
I was being pedantic, it just seems that sometimes you speak of economics as somehow inherent in all processes, as 'truth', rather than a way of looking at the world and analysing dynamics, a system imposed.
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Does your council not collect recycling?
The benefits are cutting CO2 emissions (less energy needed to replace the item), and reducing landfill (a dwindling resource, and an undesirable concept in the first place, even if only from an aesthetic perspective, ignoring impact on land, wildlife, etc). So on a larger scale, a smaller contribution to climate change, and a smaller contribution to landfill. This seems ludicrous to have to articulate, have you not read about these things before?
I believe the same externalities as the initial processes of production, but in smaller quantities.
This is all too long, you're asking a lot of me! I would imagine that a small venture into academic study would be fruitful. I could do a lot better than this I know but Im very tired
IdleRich
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Well, guess we knew that really but good to have it confirmed. Interesting to see that someone's prejudices can be so strong that they can read a sentence and take from it the exact opposite of what it says.
I'm sorry to hear about your experiences but you said that male school teachers are creepy. I think that's a (pretty nasty) generalisation.
When did I assume that I knew what your life had been like? I didn't, you must know I didn't, why are you accusing me of that?
Talk about your experiences all you like, just don't generalise it to everyone. And worse, don't pretend you were joking when it looks as though you are losing the argument - you can't have your cake and eat it.
Agreed. I'd say more accurately that it was a profession which a proportionately large amount of people enter for socially admirable motives than is the norm...to "actually try to make a difference". They certainly don't enter it for the working conditions or the pay.
Such a distasteful generalisation is typical of the kind of impulse all too prevalent nowadays that equates all actions with the basest motivations and that has made the modern world so fucked up.I'm just thankful I was a young kid in the 1970s and not today...
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i was also saying "male teacher are creepy" in a tongue-in-cheek way. look, i was asking mistersloane trying to understand why many people think that way. i was sincerely interested in his opinion. not yours.
why don't you stop generalizing what others state as their experiences? i didn't do that, never would, and frankly, don't understand why anyone would get so worked up about obviously ridiculous statements that were meant to rile you up.
the ladies are protesting to much. if you're a nice guy, fine! i don't care about you! i am more interested in abnormal psychology.
why don't you stop generalizing what others state as their experiences? i didn't do that, never would, and frankly, don't understand why anyone would get so worked up about obviously ridiculous statements that were meant to rile you up.
the ladies are protesting to much. if you're a nice guy, fine! i don't care about you! i am more interested in abnormal psychology.
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Yeah, because you kids in the 70s made the world a great place for my generation. Thanks!
Mr. Tea
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