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You are using a conception of 'ego' that is completely divorced from the psychoanalytical tradition and I don't subscribe to it.
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You are using a conception of 'ego' that is completely divorced from the psychoanalytical tradition and I don't subscribe to it.
well i guess we have a problem then. one of different definitions. it just may incapacitate our conversation, huh? oh words... these pesky things...
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Yup.
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Nevermind the dancing, this is one of the best lovesongs ever:
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however i do think we have a valueble exchange here. precisely because of our different notions, of your Freudian and my Tibetan conceptions of the ego.
allow me to sum up my views:
love gives, and does not take away. it makes life fuller, not more deprived. it is empowering, and does not weaken. love provides more options, and is not restrictive. love allows one to more fully realize one's potentials, instead of deminishing those possibilities.
and it involves an absolution of the ego, which IS restrictive, which locks us in our patterns and habits, which is a closed system. ego is illusion, it is a false sense of the self. and must be destroyed if one is to be truly free.
love,
zhao
allow me to sum up my views:
love gives, and does not take away. it makes life fuller, not more deprived. it is empowering, and does not weaken. love provides more options, and is not restrictive. love allows one to more fully realize one's potentials, instead of deminishing those possibilities.
and it involves an absolution of the ego, which IS restrictive, which locks us in our patterns and habits, which is a closed system. ego is illusion, it is a false sense of the self. and must be destroyed if one is to be truly free.
love,
zhao
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If love "gives" and does not "take away" (it was actually Jesus who said this), then why should it dissolve the ego?
Shit makes no sense, word?
Shit makes no sense, word?
because the ego is restrictive. and the ego takes away from our potentials.
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Also, none of what you said about love sounds Tibetan at all. Tibetans believe in NOTHINGNESS and getting there, not to expanding your range of possibilities in life. That sounds like pure capitalism to me.
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Well, yeah, but those possibilities ostensibly have nothing to do with sexual/romantic love.
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If I need to explain this, we're really going nowhere.
The obligatory Johnny Cash video:
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The obligatory Johnny Cash video:
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In the void, there is getting ready to die.
It's about flatlining, and getting ready to flatline, and spending your entire existence dying, that's what Tibetan Buddhism is about.
Who was the Tibetan monk who tried acid and said in one day it got him where 40 years in the mountains didn't?
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No offense, Zhao, but you have a lot of ideas that seem to be straight out of the capitalist-realist status quo playbook then whitewashed with a veneer of "Easterness" to give them an aura of authenticity and respectability.
Of course, many of them are actually taken from Western religion, but who's counting?
Of course, many of them are actually taken from Western religion, but who's counting?
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actually, Jesus never said those things directly, but there is similar language in John and other places. i just used a bible program to search and couldn't find "love giveth" anywhere
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a wonderful wooden reason
You know the story about Richard Alpert giving his guru loads of Acid and the guy hardly blinked?
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No, but I like this story.
One of my friends who lived in Westchester county had a maid who was Tibetan who lived on their third floor. She randomly had this kid, and he was chosen as the Pan-Chen Lama!!
Well, we used to trip all the time over there, because he had this big pool with tennis courts in his back yard. Once we were like two days in and all of these Tibetan monks showed up lighting incense everywhere and singing!! It was awesome, one of the most memorable things that I have ever seen.
They were very nice to us even though we were obviously a mess.
Classic.
This thread is like a cosmic clash of paradigms.
that's why it's so awesome
this is exactly half of what Tibetan Buddhism is about. dying is an art, just like life. in fact, one is just a continuation of the other, and the two are not separate. in order to have a beautiful death, a beautiful life is required. and in order to have a beautiful life, inner peace and enlightenment is needed. and in order to acheive inner peace and enlightment, the ego must be destroyed.
i have not heard that one. sounds highly suspicious to me though. in fact, this monk who said that is most likely misinterpreted.
there have been many many recorded cases of this. where monks take entire sheets of acid, drop 50 pills, snort a killo of coke, and has zero effect on them.