Benny Bunter
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^ case in point. Windrush riddim is massive.
Funky/London/UK House
i don't see how that tune is funky-ish other than having ms dynamite on it.
Benny Bunter
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Benny Bunter
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I dunno, I must confess I haven't actually checked out the original! Definitely the roska mix has been battered by the funky DJs so i assume he meant that one
Corpsey
bandz ahoy
I must admit I'm not sure if I was thinking of the original - I think that funky has popularised that sort of syncopated clap-rhythm outside of uk funky the genre, its probably the most pervasive influence its had on electronic music...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clave_(rhythm) < is this the one I'm thinking of? Seem to remember reading a good article online about how this 3:2 rhythm is found in a diverse range of genres...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clave_(rhythm) < is this the one I'm thinking of? Seem to remember reading a good article online about how this 3:2 rhythm is found in a diverse range of genres...
Benny Bunter
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the post-dubstep people have definitely taken the idea of using that rhythm from the funky producers, definitely. I don't think it would have occurred to them otherwise.
Slothrop
Tight but Polite
Benny Bunter
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sorry, I'm not sure what FTFY means. Do you agree or not? 
the "soca beat" pattern is in countless dark garage/early dubstep tracks, esp Horsepower "Classic Delux" and Agent X "Decoy"...
Benny Bunter
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well I don't know much about the technical terms for rhythm patterns, but that horsepower tune doesn't sound that much like the pattern used in funky I was thinking of. I had in mind that 5 snares to the bar thing that you get in Ill Blu etc. There's also a lot more emphasis on swing in those early dubstep tracks too which you don't tend to get much in Funky.
yea wayne and wax did a good peice about it in his blog. I think redlight was going for uk funky rusko style thinking it was going to take off, hasn't really happened though. but I'd say it was more than just taking some influence from UKF.
Tentative Andy
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Tentative Andy
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Pointless thread-weaving post - Ill Blu's newer stuff reminds me a lot of Belgian hardcore.
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Also, this seems to be getting a lot of hype at the moment:
I guess it might mean more to me if I actually was of Ghanain descent, but it's pretty fun still.
(Ramzee's still never going to be one of my favourite MCs, but there you go).
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Also, this seems to be getting a lot of hype at the moment:
I guess it might mean more to me if I actually was of Ghanain descent, but it's pretty fun still.
(Ramzee's still never going to be one of my favourite MCs, but there you go).
Yeah the "soca beat" in late 2-step was six beats per bar - kick kick snare kick kick snare. It'd be fun to trace a history of this, especially as it rose up through slightly more obscure tunes like Steve Gurley's remix of "Neighbourhood" and then suddenly was everywhere in 2001 (Agent X, yeah, and "Classic Deluxe", also Chris Mac and Bump & Flex and K2 Family and TJ Cases and...etc.)
Funky has a variant on this, usually kick snare snare kick snare snare (actually a 4X4 kick but you only really hear the first and the third kick clearly) - e.g. "Do You Mind" to use a well-known example. The Fives' "It's What You Do" too, though there the tonal differences in the snare hits and the early 4th kick and the lazy handclaps all work to effectively "decenter" the pattern a bit.
Whereas the 5 beats per bar snare pattern that Ill Blu mostly use feels quite different, the snares run across and almost instead of the 4X4 kick (and of course increasingly though not always they dispense with the 4X4 kick altogether, e.g. "Meltdown", their remix of "Green Light", also that amazing new emo-hoover tune they've been playing the last few months).
It gets confusing though - the snare on "House Girls 1" for example switches from the first pattern to the second, though it's not entirely obvious because they always have a snare on the 1 so it's always five snare hits either way (Lil Silva's "Against Yaself" is a good example of what "House Girls" would sound like if it never switched from the first pattern to the second).
Or on Crazy Cousinz's "Inflation", it's an Ill Blu-style 5 snare pattern (discounting the ratatat fills) but the first snare comes in just after the first kick so it sorta feels halfway between a 5 beat per bar pattern and a 6 beat per bar pattern. This effect is even more pronounced on their (similar) remix of Kid Cudi's "Day & Night".
In general it's pretty common for funky to play with the relationship between these two grooves. On Rudimental's "Midnight Affair" it's like the beat is pitching to the dead center between them - kick kick snare kick snare, with very 2-steppy quantizing - it sort of feels like there's micro-pauses throughout allowing the beat pattern to cover the bar (it's easy to not notice how supple and intricate the beat programming is on that tune).
Funky has a variant on this, usually kick snare snare kick snare snare (actually a 4X4 kick but you only really hear the first and the third kick clearly) - e.g. "Do You Mind" to use a well-known example. The Fives' "It's What You Do" too, though there the tonal differences in the snare hits and the early 4th kick and the lazy handclaps all work to effectively "decenter" the pattern a bit.
Whereas the 5 beats per bar snare pattern that Ill Blu mostly use feels quite different, the snares run across and almost instead of the 4X4 kick (and of course increasingly though not always they dispense with the 4X4 kick altogether, e.g. "Meltdown", their remix of "Green Light", also that amazing new emo-hoover tune they've been playing the last few months).
It gets confusing though - the snare on "House Girls 1" for example switches from the first pattern to the second, though it's not entirely obvious because they always have a snare on the 1 so it's always five snare hits either way (Lil Silva's "Against Yaself" is a good example of what "House Girls" would sound like if it never switched from the first pattern to the second).
Or on Crazy Cousinz's "Inflation", it's an Ill Blu-style 5 snare pattern (discounting the ratatat fills) but the first snare comes in just after the first kick so it sorta feels halfway between a 5 beat per bar pattern and a 6 beat per bar pattern. This effect is even more pronounced on their (similar) remix of Kid Cudi's "Day & Night".
In general it's pretty common for funky to play with the relationship between these two grooves. On Rudimental's "Midnight Affair" it's like the beat is pitching to the dead center between them - kick kick snare kick snare, with very 2-steppy quantizing - it sort of feels like there's micro-pauses throughout allowing the beat pattern to cover the bar (it's easy to not notice how supple and intricate the beat programming is on that tune).
baboon2004
Darned cockwombles.
Re clave, as said, Wayne and Wax art the ones to look at. They did a brilliant edition of clave-run tracks in that series of blog mixes that lots of dissensus bods contributed to (can't think of the name off the bat), covering all of the Caribbean rim.