Leo

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from today's NY Times: http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/02/o...on=article&isLoggedIn=false&pgtype=Blogs&_r=0

Why I’m Still Bullish on Europe’s Future
by Beppe Severgnini

BRUSSELS — If London is Europe’s New York, Brussels is our Washington, D.C., a small city made globally important by the political institutions centered here, and at the same time, and perhaps for that reason, often unloved by the people who pass through it. In the eyes of jaded Western travelers it is boring, so clogged with international bureaucracy that it has no soul.

They’re wrong. True, Brussels is not dominated by a single, longstanding and widely appealing national culture, like Rome, Paris or Berlin. But that absence has been filled with a vibrant international cosmopolitanism that allows all cultures to feel at home in its diverse array of ethnic restaurants, neighborhoods and assorted entertainments. A fulcrum of power and underrated as a town, Brussels is livelier and prettier than most people think. Only Eurocrats, lobbyists and spies get it. Most other Europeans miss the point.

We miss something else, something that is even more important. Brussels represents a Continent that has come a long way. After centuries of disastrous infighting, over the last 70 years Europeans have seen no more major wars, steadily rising prosperity and a way of life that most of the world would give its eyeteeth for.

You can travel across borders and live more or less where you like. Whether your home is in Lisbon, Warsaw or Palermo, you can take your kids to a hospital when they’re ill and they’ll get looked after. It’s free, most of the time. If you’re stopped by the police, they won’t harass you, beat you up or demand cash. If you don’t like your leaders, you can kick them out (or try, anyway).

Obvious? Of course it is. So obvious that we forget it. Europe’s narrative is controlled by its foes — and there are many, as we know. Every country in the European Union has a political party that built its fortunes on bashing Europe. Even the pro-European parties, many of them in government, can’t resist blaming Brussels for their own failures. The union has become everybody’s punching bag. It’s right there in front of you, and it can’t hit back.

“But of course Europe is collapsing!” I hear you say. “Greece is on the brink of default! The Islamic State is recruiting young Europeans. The Middle East is on fire and the flames are getting closer! Ukraine is hurting and you can’t do anything about it! How can you be high on Europe at a time like this?” Well, this is precisely the right time to be high on it, and to be thankful for what we have before it’s too late.

The European project is not perfect: Look at the recent, embarrassing squabble about refugee quotas, or how long it took to give the elected European Parliament a proper role. But these are relatively minor imperfections in a superstate of 500 million people in 28 countries, 19 of them with the same currency, living, marrying, studying and working together.

Ask Ukrainians whether they prefer living by the rule of law or by the mood of Vladimir V. Putin. Ask migrants and refugees why they risk their lives crossing the Mediterranean to get to Italy, or try to enter Greece, Hungary or Britain clinging to the underside of a truck. The peace, security and welfare that we take for granted is for most migrants a dream.

They say the grass is always greener on the other side of the hill. It seems that from our side of that metaphorical elevation, we miss the bigger picture. We don’t have the equivalent of the Fourth of July or Thanksgiving. Europeans don’t thank anyone; we moan. We don’t celebrate; we just feel sorry for ourselves. For us, lack of pride could come before a fall.

The European Union is a work in progress, but it is a stunning piece of work. And I refuse to believe that the majority of Europeans disagree. I suspect that when they are asked to vote in a referendum Sunday, the Greeks will decide to stick with the euro and get rid of the garrulous leaders who got them into this mess.

And I believe that the citizens of Britain will do the same when the time comes to vote in their referendum. Not only because a “Brexit” — Britain leaving the European Union — would sink the country’s exports, financial services and political clout. Britons will stay because the European Union is where they belong.

We need Britain and Greece, and they need us. We are in this together — and we must never forget why that is a good thing. It is only when we Europeans forget what we have that we risk losing everything.

Beppe Severgnini is a columnist at Corriere della Sera and the author of “La Bella Figura: A Field Guide to the Italian Mind.”
 

baboon2004

Darned cockwombles.


didn't know whether or not to put this in the Greece thread, as so much crossover with the issues there (and in so many other countries). Anyways, an amazingly inspirational story I think, of the Plataforma de Afectados por la Hipoteca (PAH), the organisation that uses direct action - with some great successes - to resist evictions in Spain and provide support to evictees following the huge finance-triggered housing crisis there, and has also yielded the new Mayor of Barcelona, Ada Colau (she's in the film).

edit: damn, I thought it had English subtitles, but seemingly not (unless i can't work youtube properly). Will look for another version for those, including me, who don't speak Spanish...

Ok got it:
 
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ver$hy ver$h

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Merz after winning the German election.

The absolute priority from my point of view is that Europeans come to an understanding and stand united. At the moment, a large part of European politics is taking place without Germany. Of course, this is also related to the election campaign and the current transitional phase. However, I am in close contact with many prime ministers as well as heads of state and government of the European Union. For me, the absolute priority will be to strengthen Europe as quickly as possible so that we can gradually achieve true independence from the United States.​
I would not have believed that I would ever have to say something like this on a television program, but after Donald Trump's statements last week, it is clear that the Americans—at least this part of the American government—are largely indifferent to Europe's fate. I am very curious to see how we approach the NATO summit at the end of June—whether we will still be able to speak of NATO in its current form or whether we will have to establish an independent European defense capability much sooner.​
This is my absolute priority, and I have no illusions about what is happening in America. Just look at the recent days and how Elon Musk has intervened in the German election campaign—an unprecedented event. The interventions from Washington have been no less dramatic, drastic, and ultimately outrageous than those we have seen from Moscow. We are under massive pressure from both sides, which is why my absolute priority now is to establish unity in Europe.​
 

yyaldrin

in je ogen waait de wind
hard to imagine how all of this would work? there are us military bases everywhere in europe and especially in germany, let alone how much of their nuclear arsenal is stored here.
 

luka

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But first of all, Europe is America's essential geopolitical bridgehead on
the Eurasian continent. America's geostrategic stake in Europe is
enormous. Unlike America's links with Japan, the Atlantic alliance
entrenches American political influence and military power directly on
the Eurasian mainland. At this stage of American-European relations,
with the allied European nations still highly dependent on U.S. security
protection, any expansion in the scope of Europe becomes
automatically an expansion in the scope of direct U.S. influence as
well. Conversely, without close transatlantic ties, America's primacy in
Eurasia promptly fades away. U.S. control over the Atlantic Ocean and
the ability to project influence and power deeper into Eurasia would be
severely circumscribed.
The problem, however, is that a truly European " Europe" as such does
not exist. It is a vision, a concept, and a goal, but it is not yet reality.
Western Europe is already a common market, but it is still far from
being a. single political entity. A political Europe has yet to emerge.
The crisis in Bosnia offered painful proof of Europe's continued
absence, if proof were still needed. The brutal fact is that: Western
Europe, and increasingly also Central Europe, remains largely an
American protectorate, with its allied states reminiscent of ancient
vassals and tributaries. This is not a healthy condition, either for
America or for the European nations.
Matters are made worse by a more pervasive decline in Europe's
internal vitality. Both the legitimacy of the existing socioeconomic
system and even the surfacing sense of European identity appear to be
vulnerable. In a number of European states, one can detect a crisis of
confidence, and a loss of creative momentum, as well as an inward
perspective that is both isolationist and escapist from the larger
dilemmas of the world. It is not clear
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whether most Europeans even want Europe to be a major power and whether they are
prepared to do what is needed for it to become one. Even residual European anti-
Americanism, currently quite weak, is curiously cynical: the Europeans deplore
American "hegemony" but take comfort in being sheltered by it.
 

luka

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Yes, it's time to stop and think. To reread Hegel, be resolute, and redouble our efforts, much strength is necessary at times like these, we must continue our difficult investigation of theory, and proceed with further interrogation of Marx. Then, let the debate begin... !
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Mr. Tea

Let's Talk About Ceps
hard to imagine how all of this would work? there are us military bases everywhere in europe and especially in germany, let alone how much of their nuclear arsenal is stored here.
I think those "Join the army!" posters you found so depressing are only going to become more common, because with the Yanks out of the picture, European countries beefing up their own defences is the only alternative to being totally vulnerable.
 

yyaldrin

in je ogen waait de wind
I think those "Join the army!" posters you found so depressing are only going to become more common, because with the Yanks out of the picture, European countries beefing up their own defences is the only alternative to being totally vulnerable.
i went to the cinema the other day and before the movie started they showed a very cool looking advertisement for joining the army. i loudly voiced my disdaine and an older german couple a few rows behind me told me to shut the fuck up
 

IdleRich

IdleRich
I think those "Join the army!" posters you found so depressing are only going to become more common, because with the Yanks out of the picture, European countries beefing up their own defences is the only alternative to being totally vulnerable.
Just to be the devils avocado, who is gonna invade britain? Do we need an army? As in a load of men with guns, maybe we need an airforce or something...

Or do you reckon if we did do that the sneaky French would immediately be all "Zut alors at last we 'ave our chance to avenge Agincourt"?
 

Mr. Tea

Let's Talk About Ceps
Just to be the devils avocado, who is gonna invade britain? Do we need an army? As in a load of men with guns, maybe we need an airforce or something...

Or do you reckon if we did do that the sneaky French would immediately be all "Zut alors at last we 'ave our chance to avenge Agincourt"?
Oh we'll probably be alright, but yy was talking about seeing them in Germany, where he lives.
 

luka

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for better or for worse the uk is part of a larger western security umbrella and, as a large economy and in a fairly important strategic position at the western edge of europe you might feel you have obligations. and others might also think you have obligations. you might want to be prepared for a day when you have to defend poland. or put 'boots on the ground' in ukraine. or prevent russian ships entering the atlantic. or be a part of a detterent to chinese agression, or curry favour with the americans by being part of a colition of the willing invading panama or canada or whatever. you might think a certain amount of defence spending makes your voice louder and your opinions more persuasive, you might want to continue being a member of the un security council
 

luka

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you can opt out. ireland does. but there are reasons why you might not want to. maybe they're not good reasons. but they are reasons.
 

IdleRich

IdleRich
for better or for worse the uk is part of a larger western security umbrella and, as a large economy and in a fairly important strategic position at the western edge of europe you might feel you have obligations. and others might also think you have obligations. you might want to be prepared for a day when you have to defend poland. or put 'boots on the ground' in ukraine. or prevent russian ships entering the atlantic. or be a part of a detterent to chinese agression, or curry favour with the americans by being part of a colition of the willing invading panama or canada or whatever. you might think a certain amount of defence spending makes your voice louder and your opinions more persuasive, you might want to continue being a member of the un security council
Weirdly reasonable post
 
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