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When did dubstep lose the plot?
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I think my reply sufficed more than words ever could.
I answered the poll with 2007.
I think the golden age of dubstep was 2004-2005.
I remember being way into dubstep well into 2007, but then things started to go downhill for me. I remember hearing Skream "Make Me" and not liking it. The only song I liked off that skreamizm was "Chestboxing." Just a year before that, or even 6 months before that, I thought everything Skream made was gold. The idea of a Skream tune being not good was just unthinkable in 2006 for me.
The moment that really made me think "Oh no..." was Skream's remix of the Klaxons "It's not over." The sick feeling I had was so similar to when I saw what people like Pendullum did to DnB.
I still listened to dubstep for a while, being hopeful. Then I remember in late 2007 listening podcats of Youngsta's shows and just being really bored by them. Which was just crazy. A year or so before that I would have easily said he was the top DJ. But his sets just became very uninteresting for me.
I still download the podcasts of Youngsta, N-Type, and Antisocial. I skim through them, often unimpressed and sometimes even annoyed. Antisocial seems to have the most appeal at the moment, but I just have way more interesting stuff to listen to and a limited amount of time.
btw, I saw some people pointing to the Dubstep Warz in early 2006 as the turning point. I can kinda see that. It was kinda the beginning of the end as it brought the sound to the masses. But there was still a lot of enjoyable stuff in 2006.
Also, whats with the all the hate toward Coki "Spongebob"? I like that one, as all Coki tunes are good, along with Mala and Loefah.
Speaking of Loefah, maybe the turning point was when he stopped making tunes. What a loss to the scene.
I think the golden age of dubstep was 2004-2005.
I remember being way into dubstep well into 2007, but then things started to go downhill for me. I remember hearing Skream "Make Me" and not liking it. The only song I liked off that skreamizm was "Chestboxing." Just a year before that, or even 6 months before that, I thought everything Skream made was gold. The idea of a Skream tune being not good was just unthinkable in 2006 for me.
The moment that really made me think "Oh no..." was Skream's remix of the Klaxons "It's not over." The sick feeling I had was so similar to when I saw what people like Pendullum did to DnB.
I still listened to dubstep for a while, being hopeful. Then I remember in late 2007 listening podcats of Youngsta's shows and just being really bored by them. Which was just crazy. A year or so before that I would have easily said he was the top DJ. But his sets just became very uninteresting for me.
I still download the podcasts of Youngsta, N-Type, and Antisocial. I skim through them, often unimpressed and sometimes even annoyed. Antisocial seems to have the most appeal at the moment, but I just have way more interesting stuff to listen to and a limited amount of time.
btw, I saw some people pointing to the Dubstep Warz in early 2006 as the turning point. I can kinda see that. It was kinda the beginning of the end as it brought the sound to the masses. But there was still a lot of enjoyable stuff in 2006.
Also, whats with the all the hate toward Coki "Spongebob"? I like that one, as all Coki tunes are good, along with Mala and Loefah.
Speaking of Loefah, maybe the turning point was when he stopped making tunes. What a loss to the scene.
Room with a view
Banned
or when he stopped smoking weed. i remember hearing 'mud' for the first time and thinking where's the rest of it ? yet people were going on like god almighty had built it. it has grown on me though.
dubstep died largely for me when toasty gave up the game and paulie hotflush moved to berlin. toasty is the biggest loss to not just the scene but electronica in general.
toasty is a huge loss i think too
but, im not sure he really had the impact that we all wish he did have. the whole breakstep thing never really took off as quite honestly it's a hell of a lot harder to to write breaks then simple half step plodding riddems.
id disagree and say that Paulie moving to Berlin is possibly the best thing he could do. distance from the ldn scene right now is probably a good idea. most (besides the dmz guys) aren't really doing anything for me at the moment and honestly hotflush is really the only label im closely watching (still!). (besides all the Bristol guys who seem to be keep a nice wide perspective on things).
i guess being from minneapolis and growing up on techno i really like the berlin influence on dubstep and has really been the most interesting take on it since it started to splinter off into all sorts of different directions.
but, im not sure he really had the impact that we all wish he did have. the whole breakstep thing never really took off as quite honestly it's a hell of a lot harder to to write breaks then simple half step plodding riddems.
id disagree and say that Paulie moving to Berlin is possibly the best thing he could do. distance from the ldn scene right now is probably a good idea. most (besides the dmz guys) aren't really doing anything for me at the moment and honestly hotflush is really the only label im closely watching (still!). (besides all the Bristol guys who seem to be keep a nice wide perspective on things).
i guess being from minneapolis and growing up on techno i really like the berlin influence on dubstep and has really been the most interesting take on it since it started to splinter off into all sorts of different directions.
Room with a view
Banned
yeah was probably the best thing paulie could have done for himself but the labels output took a bit of a dive after that at the expense of his scuba noodlings. i still cant help but feel if the breakstep angle had been pimped more instead of the croydon halfstep things would be so much rosier now. even now it'd be nice for loefah to push kryptic minds into a glitchy breaks phase and see what happens.
Alfons
Way of the future
is there a way to view charts on any of the online vinyl/mp3 stores through time? Think that would be a good way to gauge the development of the music, or at least the music that sells the most.
Im pretty sure the charts at https://www.beatport.com/en-US/html/content/genre/detail/18/Dubstep were a lot "better" 2-3 years ago.
Im pretty sure the charts at https://www.beatport.com/en-US/html/content/genre/detail/18/Dubstep were a lot "better" 2-3 years ago.
Wouldn't say that. It's very easy to make mediocore minimal halfstep rhythm (as we know from 06), but to make it minimal without sounding lacking is another thing.
Though it's interesting to see how breakstep producers develop their sound in future... Wouldn't actually see increasing tempo up a bad thing, or slowing it.
beatport hardly had any dubstep 3 years ago if I remember correctly. Just Tectonic & Hotflush really (and a bunch of random digital labels i think).
Bleep was always the place I got mine back then, they had good selection (thanks Blackdown!) Wish i would have grabbed all the DMZ when I had the chance
the quality control was much higher then imo given that there were much much much less labels releasing the music and 90% were vinyl based too.
Bleep was always the place I got mine back then, they had good selection (thanks Blackdown!) Wish i would have grabbed all the DMZ when I had the chance
the quality control was much higher then imo given that there were much much much less labels releasing the music and 90% were vinyl based too.
oh no doubt about that.
but the good half step vs the generic stuff is like 1/100...
is anyone really doing breakstep anymore? threnody, sully and some Reso tunes are the only one that comes to mind...
Alfons
Way of the future
Yeah, I didn't mean Beatport specifically, meant sales charts in general, Beatport was just the one that made me think about it (mostly coz I was checking their current top 10 and it was horrid).
Maybe vinyl charts would work too, although I somehow have the prejudice that vinyl buyers have better taste than mp3 buyers
Yeah, I didn't mean Beatport specifically, meant sales charts in general, Beatport was just the one that made me think about it (mostly coz I was checking their current top 10 and it was horrid).
Maybe vinyl charts would work too, although I somehow have the prejudice that vinyl buyers have better taste than mp3 buyers
the more money's at stake the wiser you have to be
Room with a view
Banned
boxcutter still turns out the odd steppy breaks tune worth a mention and this guys giving it a good tickle
http://soundcloud.com/mmii
http://soundcloud.com/mmii
woops
is not like other people
act one. a self-confessedly plodding new sound is born out of boredom in croydon and parts unknown
act two. breakstep, brostep factions etc. compete over making the dubbest step.
act three. the winner uses dub bass to move giant slabs of stone and build a new great pyramid
this was what was lost
act two. breakstep, brostep factions etc. compete over making the dubbest step.
act three. the winner uses dub bass to move giant slabs of stone and build a new great pyramid
this was what was lost
qwerty south
no use for a witticism
Not sure about dates, but the hyper-abstracted sounds of skrillex and his copyists were when it got shit for me