BNP on Question Time

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don_quixote

Trent End
well there's one solution to make griffin really look like a penis tonight. just don't ask him any questions. let him sit their like a big smug prick and watch his face fall as dimbleby just asks all the other panel members their opinions and doesn't let him get a word in edgeways. constantly interrupt him and tell him that they're coming to him.

that would be ace. eventually he'd crack and look like a complete mentalist.
 
mixed_biscuits

mixed_biscuits

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I'm quite happy to leave people to make up their own minds about Griffin as, just as with Le Pen in France, any fears of his party becoming a major force will prove to be unfounded. We don't need rent-a-protesters or gimmicks to twist voters' arms.
 
craner

craner

Beast of Burden
I second that! I don't understand why anyone even thinks that the BNP have any right to take part in the complex immigration debate when their "policies" are so absurd, sinister and unworkable. They don't warrant a foothold in it.
 
craner

craner

Beast of Burden
I think the point about mixed race relationships is a better route to go down than calling them nazis.
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Giving a forensic account of the pro-fascist origins of all their ideas and ideals is always useful, and there's plenty of contemporary evidence to illustrate that this still underpins their core. It's just, no one ever does it. I can't work out why. Haven't they done enough research? I wish Peter Hain would stop being so prissy, and get stuck in. I'm guessing he'd be way more effective than Straw. (My man, MP for Neath!)
 
Mr. Tea

Mr. Tea

Let's Talk About Ceps
don_quixote said:
god they'd do well to stop asking the hysterical students to speak.
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Yep, definitely.

The prick's getting slaughtered out there. "Britain must remain a Christian country..." because Islam is wicked and mysogynistic - yeah, Christianity, that nice religion that's always stood up so firmly for women's rights. :rolleyes:

His line about "Almost entirely non-violent KKK members" (and Greer's response!) is priceless.

Edit: shit, I'm in cross-post mode tonight.
 
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hucks

hucks

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People keep saying that BNP voters aren't racists. There's some real denial going on here. I don't get it
 
Mr. Tea

Mr. Tea

Let's Talk About Ceps
crackerjack said:
You've listed nationalist there with leftist traits. Do you consider nationalism leftist
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Well 'national socialism' is Nazism, isn't? Literally and formally? National-Socialistiche Deutsche Arbeiter Party, right?

I agree though that the old simplistic left-right binary is pitifully inadequate to describe political parties in both social and economic terms.

Edit: ah bugger, I went back too far to see what I'd missed and ended up rehashing a point from yesterday, and it's been dealt with already.
Point is, I think the racist and ultra-nationalist aspect of Nazi ideology is far more important their economic policies, and the same goes for Griffin's lot.
 
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mrfaucet

The Ideas Train
Mr. Tea said:
Well 'national socialism' is Nazism, isn't? Literally and formally? Nationalistiche-Socialistiche Deutche Arbeiter Party, right?

I agree though that the old simplistic left-right binary is pitifully inadequate to describe political parties in both social and economic terms.
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This was more of a tactical thing though wasn't it, at least it eventually became that way. That's why in one poster the Nazi's would be blaming Germany's problems on Marxist Jews and then in another blaming it on Jewish capitalists. All of which was designed to appeal to as many people as possible. That's why it's so hard to pin down Nazism as an ideology because it takes on so many of these contradictory aspects.
 
Mr. Tea

Mr. Tea

Let's Talk About Ceps
Ooh, they're talking about Jan Moir now as well, excellent.

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"Has this programme been an early Christmas present to the BNP?"

Griffin: "Well you can't even say 'Christmas' these days, Because Of Muslims!"...

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Edit: thinking about this...

mrfaucet said:
This was more of a tactical thing though wasn't it, at least it eventually became that way. That's why in one poster the Nazi's would be blaming Germany's problems on Marxist Jews and then in another blaming it on Jewish capitalists. All of which was designed to appeal to as many people as possible. That's why it's so hard to pin down Nazism as an ideology because it takes on so many of these contradictory aspects.
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...I remember reading somewhere that the Nazis distinguished between 'good' (implicitly German) capitalism based on industry and agriculture, 'honest toil' in other words; and 'bad' (implicitly Jewish) capitalism, i.e. finance capitalism/investment banking, or dishonest usury.
 
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craner

craner

Beast of Burden
About Griffin "coming across well" and "converting the masses", not the SWP ruckus, which was just silly.
 
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