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[entertainment]

no. i first became aware of him when i watched that new bladerunner film. i thought, what is going on here? anti-charisma. a smooth surface.

 

[luka]

well this is true, isn't it, that people produce propaganda for their ideology and interests constantly, and only semi-consciously

partly, or sort of, with provisos. but the k-punk qupte is about something else i think. it's not about individuals. it's more about the system producing propoganda for itself.

 

[luka]

form, eidos. assuming all things have a purpose, an inner intent. assuming direct causal relationships between things. as opposed to entropy, things just happening.

oh right. i see. i guess in my opinion the boredom and shapelessness of assuming things just happen is intolerable and should be resisted on those grounds alone.

 

[entertainment]

oh right. i see. i guess in my opinion the boredom and shapelessness of assuming things just happen is intolerable and should be resisted on those grounds alone.

well that was hyperbole.

 

[luka]

your intellect should conspire with your imagination and intution to craft intricate and satisfying fictions. you don't want it bursting balloons al the time and making you miserable.

 

[luka]

marxists are over-represented as historians, for instance, cos being a conspiracist makes history so much more fun. it gives it meaning and purpose. it's not just a series of accidents any more.

 

[shakahislop]

no. i first became aware of him when i watched that new bladerunner film. i thought, what is going on here? anti-charisma. a smooth surface.

like the nomads on the steppes in d&g. easy to territorialize

 

[entertainment]

The way I see it... if a popular movie contains propaganda it is neither because the the directer intended to nor because he unconsciously seeks to reinforce a system. It is because the propaganda as content provides an interesting sub-thematic connection between maker and viewer--a connection both viewer and directer intuitively recognizes as the ambience of a good movie

 

[luka]

dont understand i don't think

 

[entertainment]

your intellect should conspire with your imagination and intution to craft intricate and satisfying fictions. you don't want it bursting balloons al the time and making you miserable.

I want the truth!

 

[luka]

I want the truth!

it's not there. just have a laugh.

 

[entertainment]

dont understand i don't think

the director just sets out to make a good movie, something he reckons people will watch. what he intuitively interprets as "good" resonates with a world view that encompasses him and his viewer and the act of making a movie and the act of going to see a movie. all this needs to be somehow aligned with what the movie is, unthreatened by it.

 

[luka]

you can make consuning media way more fun if you adopt the k-punk lens. how does this product aid capitalism? it gives you a way to be creative and imaginative.

its a bit like evolution people going, how does birthday cake aid the reproduction of the gene

 

[luka]

the director just sets out to make a good movie, something he reckons people will watch. what he intuitively interprets as "good" resonates with a world view that encompasses him and his viewer and the act of making a movie and the act of going to see a movie. all this needs to be somehow aligned with what the movie is, unthreatened by it.

still don't get it.

 

[entertainment]

you can make consuning media way more fun if you adopt the k-punk lens. how does this product aid capitalism? it gives you a way to be creative and imaginative.

its a bit like evolution people going, how does birthday cake aid the reproduction of the gene

I think you can be imaginative and creative without it

 

[luka]

I think you can be imaginative and creative without it

probably. but if you want to generate takes, machine-like productivity, you need a system like that. cos then it all is generated almost automatically.

 

[Corpsey]

its a bit like evolution people going, how does birthday cake aid the reproduction of the gene

Now this is interesting

 

[shiels]

it's much more interesting to assume that capitalism produces it's own propaganda and everything is designed to prolong and promote the system, as in that k-punk quote, or any other conspiratorialist, than it is to go, oh, well, they're just films, it's just what the film maker wanted to say, why you looking so deeply into it.

It’s just a film
It was only a dream
It’s just a wee story
Watch something else if you don’t like it

The words of an idiot

 

[shiels]

These kinds of nothing-to-see-here dismissals are in fact ideology AT ITS MOST PURE

 

[shiels]

That’s the kpunk take via zizek via someone else I can’t remember