Russia Surrounded
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IdleRich
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For what it's worth I'm not sure Trump would have responded so robustly to Russia but we don't know that and you should at least acknowledge you're not comparing like with like.
IdleRich
IdleRich
Cos the right are constantly playing up his links to China... try typing "China Biden" into twitter and you'll see tons of this, including a parody account called Beijing Biden etc
With respect dude, this is rubbish. "Not being defeated" is the lowest of bars. They've lost what? 200,000 men, God knows how many injured, the military is utterly weakened and exposed, Putin has had to go cap in hand to Xi, its going to have huge knock on effects on their arms trade etc etc. Just because there's not been total collapse - yet - doesn't mean they aren't losing pretty badly. Which is not the same as saying Ukraine is poised to take all their territory back.
Challenging a rouge state like Russia strengthens the West IMO. I would say strategically it seems like a success so far, in that it's not got too hot. I don't know what the long term effects will be but you could certainly argue liberal democracy will come out looking a lot stronger.
This is one of the reasons that I think a lot rides on the Spring offensive. Zelensky et al know they have to demonstrate some strategic gains to stop the attrition of the war effort which would obvs get a lot worse under a Trump/Republican presidency.
Mr. Tea
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I don't really see how NATO is "weaker", given that it's just acquired or is about to acquire two new members, and all existing members have pledged to increase their defence spending: https://commonslibrary.parliament.u...by-nato-members-since-russia-invaded-ukraine/
If you're right about Russia, i.e. that it's weaker overall but Putin has a stronger grip on it, I'm not sure that sounds like a good thing either for Russia or the rest of the world. It just makes it sound like he's more likely to do something desperate to continue clinging to power, and there will be fewer people in any position to try and talk him out of it.
Mr. Tea
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Trump, if anything, would be more inclined to sent military aid to Russia, if he could possibly get away with it.
Mr. Tea
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Yeah, it's hard to square "doing pretty well" with being in receipt of aid from DPRK: https://www.csis.org/analysis/north-korea-sends-ammunitions-russia
If they really did destroy a bunker in UKR with hundreds of NATO staff inside recently, that would be a win. Anyone heard anything about that?
wild greens
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I did read about this last month but it seems to be disinformation, unless you mean a different NATO bunker
Did Russian Forces Strike a 'NATO Command Center' in Lviv, Ukraine?
A lazy piece of obvious propaganda has become incorporated into several false claims about the war in Ukraine.
www.snopes.com
Not to say Snopes are perfect after the whole david mikkelson thing, but it does seem like a bit of a reach
Assume it's the same story. Good.
Mr. Tea
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What was the whole David Mikkelson thing?I did read about this last month but it seems to be disinformation, unless you mean a different NATO bunker
Did Russian Forces Strike a 'NATO Command Center' in Lviv, Ukraine?
A lazy piece of obvious propaganda has become incorporated into several false claims about the war in Ukraine.
Not to say Snopes are perfect after the whole david mikkelson thing, but it does seem like a bit of a reach
wild greens
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The Cofounder Of The Fact-Checking Site Snopes Was Writing Plagiarized Articles Under A Fake Name
“You can always take an existing article and rewrite it just enough to avoid copyright infringement."
www.buzzfeednews.com
Leo
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The Cofounder Of The Fact-Checking Site Snopes Was Writing Plagiarized Articles Under A Fake Name
“You can always take an existing article and rewrite it just enough to avoid copyright infringement."
He just said out loud what thousands of website do every day. Those sites don't have hundreds of reporters covering different beats; they probably have a few people who just take news that breaks on AP, Reuters, Washington Post, NY Times, etc., slightly reword it, and post it on their own site. If they're generous, they'll include a link to the original source, or at some point say "the news first appeared on AP" or something.
Mr. Tea
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wild greens
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The latest US-RUS proxy war, sparked by the latter's Red Sea naval base deal, fighting broke out when govt. pressed ahead with signing it, US-backed paramilitaries stepped in to fuck shit up.