thirdform

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Why is it not gendered? You just asserted that without argument. The rest of what you said is consistent with my argument. The Impersonal aligns with masculinity. Masculine culture loves to promote itself as ideally disinterested.

Because if it is gendered, the political lesbians of the 70s could have somehow opted out of capitalism. Yet they clearly didn't, because the violent class relation still cuts across gender. To see class is to see all class everything.

To say that masculine culture is xyz doesn't equate to the same thing as capital being an impersonal force of violence. Accumulation is not cultural, you are paying too much attention to ideology.

If anything, capital populates the ideas you are talking about precisely because they are ideas and will remain ideas. Just like Che Guevara is an idea, and has little to do with Che the living person.
 

malelesbian

Femboyism IS feminism.
Because if it is gendered, the political lesbians of the 70s could have somehow opted out of capitalism. Yet they clearly didn't, because class still cuts across gender.

To say that masculine culture is xyz doesn't equate to the same thing as capital being an impersonal force of violence. Accumulation is not cultural, you are paying too much attention to ideology.

No one can opt out of capitalism, it's a global system. So the point about political lesbianism is moot. And clearly class cuts across gender, I never denied that.
Again why is capital impersonal and accumulation non-cultural? You assume an apolitical scientific view point that isn't really available to us.
 

thirdform

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No one can opt out of capitalism, it's a global system. So the point about political lesbianism is moot.

It's not moot, it's the logical consequence of your thinking. Women are symbolically unconditionally rational, as a result they aren't conditionally rational in the masculine sense, ergo refusing to engage in heteronormative relationships on poolitical grounds subverts the masculine derived paradigm, and hence masculine capital accumulation should have a spanner put in its works.

And yet, the exact opposite of this happened.
 

thirdform

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which is also how in the last thread you absurdly claimed that girlboss is symbolically masculine. If you do that you can use any term for your liking and conversing becomes impossible because you can just change words to mean what you like, whilst, of course, neither altering the form nor substance of things. It's bad materialism, and a regression to feudal magical thinking.
 

malelesbian

Femboyism IS feminism.
It's not moot, it's the logical consequence of your thinking. Women are symbolically unconditionally rational, as a result they aren't conditionally rational, ergo refusing to engage in hetronormative relationships subverts the masculine derived paradigm, and hence masculine capital accumulation should have a spanner put in its works.

And yet, the exact opposite of this happened.

I never said women aren't conditionally rational. As I said, both genders can access both masculine and feminine culture. And it's a huge leap in logic to say that subverting the masculine paradigm entails subverting capital accumulation. Even I admit that cultural activism won't necessarily lead to economic consequences. You seem to care more about doing things consequential to the economy. That's fine. But don't try to stop me from changing culture. And I don't see why you keep arguing with me when you don't seem to care about culture at all.
 

malelesbian

Femboyism IS feminism.
which is also how in the last thread you absurdly claimed that girlboss is symbolically masculine. If you do that you can use any term for your liking and conversing becomes impossible because you can just change words to mean what you like.
No, I said girlbosses buy into masculine culture when they do the same things as male bosses do. And all words have multiple meanings and interpretations. Denying polysemy leads only to a fruitless attempt to impose a impersonal apolitical viewpoint onto personal culture.
 

thirdform

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I never said women aren't conditionally rational. As I said, both genders can access both masculine and feminine culture. And it's a huge leap in logic to say that subverting the masculine paradigm entails subverting capital accumulation. Even I admit that cultural activism won't necessarily lead to economic consequences. You seem to care more about doing things consequential to the economy. That's fine. But don't try to stop me from changing culture.

I don't care about your degenerate culture which passes itself off as civilised whilst bombing our lands to shreds. Thanks for proving that I was right to call you a racist.

Forward, barbarians!
 

thirdform

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No, I said girlbosses buy into masculine culture when they do the same things as male bosses do. And all words have multiple meanings and interpretations. Denying polysemy leads only to a fruitless attempt to impose a impersonal apolitical viewpoint onto personal culture.

again, shove your personal imperialist culture up your kaiserreich!
 

malelesbian

Femboyism IS feminism.
I don't care about your degenerate culture which passes itself off as civilised whilst bombing our lands to shreds. Thanks for proving that I was right to call you a racist.

Forward, barbarians!
I still don't get how I'm a racist. I never supported American militarism. And like I said, if you don't care about culture, stop arguing with me.
 

thirdform

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I still don't get how I'm a racist. I never supported American militarism. And like I said, if you don't care about culture, stop arguing with me.

Yes and how does american militarism win its consent? clearly not through brute force alone.

Oh, I care about culture. You could say I'm a cultural snob of sorts. just not your crude democratic culture which reduces everyone to an amorphous undifferentiated mass which can be tossed hither and dither, so long as both consent and the illusion of participation are manufactured on a daily basis.
 

malelesbian

Femboyism IS feminism.
Ok, what sort of culture do you care about? I certainly never promoted manufactured consent or cultural homogeny. And gee whiz, why don't you tell us how american militarism wins its consent? Certainly not through anything I said, seeing as how I don't consent to american militarism. And how in the world will this preoccupation with violence help us fight the manosphere?
 

thirdform

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Ok, what sort of culture do you care about?

socialised culture under the control and direction of the working class dictatorship with freedom of speech denied to both andrew tate and academics.

compulsory 12 tone serialist and free jazz conserts for all children.

Samuel Beckett, Virginia Wolf, James Joyce, Oguz Atay, and Mary Wolstencraft translated into all international languages. Books from the Nagarjuna to Mullah Sadra to Hegel, even Thomas Paine made accessible to all proletarians and all high school children.

Imprisonment and penalties for anyone trying to promote intelligent design and creationism.
 

malelesbian

Femboyism IS feminism.
socialised culture under the control and direction of the working class dictatorship with freedom of speech denied to both andrew tate and academics.
Ok, well when socialism takes over you can celebrate. Until then, we need a way to fight people like Tate without making grand systemic changes to society as a whole. I have a strategy for fighting the manosphere within the current system. You don't.
 

thirdform

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Ok, well when socialism takes over you can celebrate. Until then, we need a way to fight people like Tate without making grand systemic changes to society as a whole. I have a strategy for fighting the manosphere within the current system. You don't.

No, I'm too busy figuring out how to get your compatriots out of our lands, and you are .. what exactly?
 

malelesbian

Femboyism IS feminism.
Promoting feminine culture. That's what I wanted to do in this thread. Maybe make your own thread about decolonization? I certainly won't derail it like you keep doing to my threads.
 

thirdform

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Promoting feminine culture. That's what I wanted to do in this thread. Maybe make your own thread about decolonization? I certainly won't derail it like you keep doing to my threads.

ahhh now we're talking! it's a good thing I don't think in the binary terms of colonisation and decolonisation, because formal decolonisation led to neo-colonialism, colonialism by remote control, which can't be (de)colonised. Exactly what is happening in the middle east now.

Different strategies are required. You must cease to be Americans in spirit and reject all your political processes, even the democrats as lesser evil vis-a-vis republicans. This is my mission, and hence I will engage, and derail, where I see fit.
 

malelesbian

Femboyism IS feminism.
ahhh now we're talking! it's a good thing I don't think in the binary terms of colonisation and decolonisation, because formal decolonisation led to neo-colonialism, colonialism by remote control, which can't be (de)colonised. Which is exactly what is happening the middle east.

Different strategies are required. You must cease to be Americans in spirit and reject all your political processes, even the democrats as lesser evil vis-a-vis republicans.
Ok well, all that stuff you can talk about in your own thread. In this thread, I want to talk about fighting the manosphere.
 

thirdform

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Ok well, all that stuff you can talk about in your own thread. In this thread, I want to talk about fighting the manosphere.

I do not think you quite understood what I said.

Different strategies are required. You must cease to be Americans in spirit and reject all your political processes, even the democrats as lesser evil vis-a-vis republicans. This is my mission, and hence I will engage, and derail, where I see fit.

Or as a wise man called @craner once put it:
'Surrender to Sodomy, Oliver!'
 

malelesbian

Femboyism IS feminism.
I'm still waiting for someone to provide some sort of strategy or tactics we can use to fight the manosphere....
 
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