The Feminine Perspective against the Manosphere

[thirdform]

I know why the manosphere exists. It exists because emasculation is a part of the modern experience. I just think that emasculation is a good thing.

For the record, the male lesbian-female pervert fantasy has never been represented by porn, femdom or otherwise. The people running the porn industry know that they portray traditional, masculine, dominant males and feminine submissive woman. You never see a situation where both partners are feminine and dominant, and one is male and the other female, for example. But what I really want is a scenario where both partners alternate between dominance and submission. And that you'll never find in porn.

You won't find it, because porn has to keep up the pretence of there being such a thing as an inherent sexual relationship. Porn cannot have a Payed in Full because it would demystify its means of production. Lacan was saying this in the 50s, bruh!

Have you read Marquis De Sade? His writing is the most sexually charged thing ever, yet the least pornographic and erotic. Why? Because it demystifies the cruelty and tyranny underlying all romantic attractions to various degrees.

That's why I campaign for the abolition of porn. It is merely witchery and magical thinking in the bedroom. The more demystified, the more it loses its allure. Join me on this righteous pathway, young whippersnapper!

 

[Mr. Tea]

My ideological point that some men want to give women what they want. I'm not giving women what they want in order to make an ideological point. I enjoy romance, and hypermasculine culture fears me all the more for it.

It's true that some capitalist institutions are non-gendered. I'm just investigaing the institution that are gendered. Talk about laws and bureaucracy is besides the point of identity politics. Too many identity politikers think identity politics is the be all end all theory for all politics. This is a huge mistake, but Thirdform erroneously attributes this view to me. In fact, I argue that identity politics is necessarily partial: my doing identity politics doesn't necessarily entail my doing legal politics, political economy, Marxist or otherwise, or Rawlsian politics or any other kind of politics other than identity politics. All I'm trying to do here is make claims about identity politics, and I argue that these claims entail a subversion of the gender binary. Where is your subversion of the patriarchy, Thirdform sir? Oh that's right, you have none because you desparately cling to traditional conceptions of masculinity, like using homophobic insults to demean your opponents in argument. You also cling for dear life to traditional notions of male femininity as "demeaning and condescending". Obviously, male femininity is uplifting and empowering. Enough with the ad hominem attacks, attack my arguments, not me, the person.

But here's a little empirical test for you all: ask a woman you know whether she would rather have to ask to get her pussy ate or get her pussy ate without asking. I think we all know what the answer will be.

Edit: Male Lesbian theme song:

Are male feminists allowed to receive blowjobs?

 

[thirdform]

Are male feminists allowed to receive blowjobs?

Oral sex
As far as oral sex is concerned, there are two aspects to the issue. One being the moral aspect and the other the actual ruling regarding it in Islamic Law (meaning, to state whether it is Haram, Makruh or permissible).
With regards to the first aspect, there is no doubt that the act of oral sex (in its full meaning) is a totally shameful act. The mouth which is used to recite the Dhikr of Allah, send Salutations on the blessed Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him and give him peace), recite the holy Qur’an and other things, can not be used for filthy and dirty things such as oral sex, especially if it includes the filth entering the mouth.
This is more or less what the scholars of the Indo/Pak mention in there Fatawa books and (according to this humble servant), this is the aspect (moral) they are referring to.
As far as the second aspect is concerned, which is the Shariah ruling on oral sex; this actually depends on what you really mean by oral sex. The term “oral sex” covers a wide range of activities, from just kissing the private parts to the actual swallowing of filth.
If “oral sex” means to insert the penis in the wife’s mouth to the extent that she takes in the filth, whether this filth is semen (Mani) or pre-ejaculatory fluid (Madhi), or the man takes the filth of the woman in his mouth, then this is not permissible. Taking the filth with all its forms in the mouth is unlawful. The fluids which come out are impure, thus make it impermissible to take it orally.
However, if the same act is practiced by using a condom (to prevent the sexual fluids entering the mouth) or the wife merely kisses her husband’s penis and the husband kisses her genitals and they avoid any areas where there is pre-ejaculatory fluid, then this should be (according to this humble servant and Allah knows best) permissible, although disliked.
It is mentioned in the famous Hanafi Fiqh reference book, and one regarded as a fundamental source in the school, al-Fatawa al-Hindiyya:
“If a man inserts his penis in his wife’s mouth, it is said that it is disliked (makruh), and others said that it is not disliked.” (al-Fatawa al-Hindiyya, 5/372)
This clear text from one of the major Hanafi books indicates that the scholars differed on the issue of inserting the penis into the wife’s mouth. According to some it was disliked whilst others totally permitted it. But it should be remembered that this is in the case when no sexual fluids enter the spouse’s mouth as mentioned in detail earlier. Due to the act being considered against the proper conduct of a Muslim, most scholars have held this practice to be disliked (even in the situation where one does not orally take the filth).
This is what I have on this particular subject. I thought that there was a genuine need to shed some light on it from an Islamic perspective. I hope I have been able to clear the queries people have had on this topic.
And Allah Knows Best
[Mufti] Muhammad ibn Adam
Darul Iftaa
Leicester , UK

Is Oral Sex Halal or Haram? - IslamQA

Is it permissible in Islam for the husband and wife to take each others private parts in each others mouth, known as Oral Sex?

islamqa.org

 

[Leo]

Going to start using the phrase "taking the filth".

 

[Mr. Tea]

Oral sex
As far as oral sex is concerned, there are two aspects to the issue. One being the moral aspect and the other the actual ruling regarding it in Islamic Law (meaning, to state whether it is Haram, Makruh or permissible).
With regards to the first aspect, there is no doubt that the act of oral sex (in its full meaning) is a totally shameful act. The mouth which is used to recite the Dhikr of Allah, send Salutations on the blessed Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him and give him peace), recite the holy Qur’an and other things, can not be used for filthy and dirty things such as oral sex, especially if it includes the filth entering the mouth.
This is more or less what the scholars of the Indo/Pak mention in there Fatawa books and (according to this humble servant), this is the aspect (moral) they are referring to.
As far as the second aspect is concerned, which is the Shariah ruling on oral sex; this actually depends on what you really mean by oral sex. The term “oral sex” covers a wide range of activities, from just kissing the private parts to the actual swallowing of filth.
If “oral sex” means to insert the penis in the wife’s mouth to the extent that she takes in the filth, whether this filth is semen (Mani) or pre-ejaculatory fluid (Madhi), or the man takes the filth of the woman in his mouth, then this is not permissible. Taking the filth with all its forms in the mouth is unlawful. The fluids which come out are impure, thus make it impermissible to take it orally.
However, if the same act is practiced by using a condom (to prevent the sexual fluids entering the mouth) or the wife merely kisses her husband’s penis and the husband kisses her genitals and they avoid any areas where there is pre-ejaculatory fluid, then this should be (according to this humble servant and Allah knows best) permissible, although disliked.
It is mentioned in the famous Hanafi Fiqh reference book, and one regarded as a fundamental source in the school, al-Fatawa al-Hindiyya:
“If a man inserts his penis in his wife’s mouth, it is said that it is disliked (makruh), and others said that it is not disliked.” (al-Fatawa al-Hindiyya, 5/372)
This clear text from one of the major Hanafi books indicates that the scholars differed on the issue of inserting the penis into the wife’s mouth. According to some it was disliked whilst others totally permitted it. But it should be remembered that this is in the case when no sexual fluids enter the spouse’s mouth as mentioned in detail earlier. Due to the act being considered against the proper conduct of a Muslim, most scholars have held this practice to be disliked (even in the situation where one does not orally take the filth).
This is what I have on this particular subject. I thought that there was a genuine need to shed some light on it from an Islamic perspective. I hope I have been able to clear the queries people have had on this topic.
And Allah Knows Best
[Mufti] Muhammad ibn Adam
Darul Iftaa
Leicester , UK

Is Oral Sex Halal or Haram? - IslamQA

Is it permissible in Islam for the husband and wife to take each others private parts in each others mouth, known as Oral Sex?

islamqa.org

No oral allowed? Sounds like a recipe for jihad, if ever I heard one.

 

[version]

They might have lower levels of oral cancers, mind you.

 

[thirdform]

No oral allowed? Sounds like a recipe for jihad, if ever I heard one.

it's allowed, just don't take the filth. this is why malelesbian should ask to eat the pussy, because he must eat it through the fabric. Imagine what would happen if malelesbian got khadijah punished? Could he ever recover from that stain on his conscience?

 

[version]

But what I really want is a scenario where both partners alternate between dominance and submission. And that you'll never find in porn.

My friend Leo told me that is a thing. You're just describing a couple where they're both a 'switch'.

 

[thirdform]

That is a thing. You're just describing a couple where they're both a 'switch'.

nah, he'll argue that switch fantasies are still catered to a masculinist public. Which I mean, true enough, but then you want porn demystified. In which case, why not just go all out and advocate its abolition? Foolish democratic blockheadedness, that's why!

 

[Leo]

That is a thing. You're just describing a couple where they're both a 'switch'.

You're supposed to preface this with "A friend of mine told me..."

 

[Mr. Tea]

You're supposed to preface this with "A friend of mine told me..."

Nah, come on, you love being the hip, well-informed older friend who tells his young, green buddies about the ways of the world.

 

[?!..!?]

My friend Leo told me that is a thing. You're just describing a couple where they're both a 'switch'.

Yes, I'm a switch and I want my partner to be a switch. Switches are under-represented in our culture, pornographic or otherwise.

Also, let us never forget Thirdform is the guy who came out as anti-head. Some people just don't get it.

Also, Sade wrote some of the wackest porn ever.

Finally, of course male feminists get head. I also have asked to eat pussy and will do so again if necessary.

 

[subvert47]

But what I really want is a scenario where both partners alternate between dominance and submission. And that you'll never find in porn.

You absolutely will. There's niche porn about everything, and that's not even especially niche. I just tried googling specifically for "partners alternate between dominance and submission porn". It brought up a load of "BDSM switch" links.

 

[?!..!?]

You absolutely will. There's niche porn about everything, and that's not even especially niche. I just tried googling specifically for "partners alternate between dominance and submission porn". It brought up a load of "BDSM switch" links.

Right now I'm just not really into porn. Do you know what a moke is? Ahahahahaha

 

[thirdform]

Also, Sade wrote some of the wackest porn ever.

It's not porn. your language model handlers have failed in training you to an adequate standard, sad to say.

 

[thirdform]

Right now I'm just not really into porn. Do you know what a moke is? Ahahahahaha

british slang: a donkey.

 

[?!..!?]

british slang: a donkey.

Incorrect. Hint: it has to do with porn.

 

[thirdform]

Also, let us never forget Thirdform is the guy who came out as anti-head. Some people just don't get it.

Let us never forget the devious ways in which the infidels twist our words to suit their sick disgusting perverted agendas. you can receive head alright, just make sure aisha or khadijah or umm kulthum has wrapped your mcgibby in a cornetto cone before taking it in. Some people love to wallow in being unhygienic settlers, what can one say?

 

[thirdform]

Incorrect. Hint: it has to do with porn.

It's actually correct, look it up.

 

[?!..!?]

Let us never forget the devious ways in which the infidels twist our words to suit their sick disgusting perverted agendas. you can receive head alright, just make sure aisha or khadijah or umm kulthum has wrapped your mcgibby in a cornetto cone before taking it in. Some people love to wallow in being unhygienic settlers, what can one say?

This is decent comedy.

It's actually correct, look it up.

I'm talking about a particular meaning of the word moke related to porn. I wonder how many Dissensus users are mokes?