The Republican War on Transgender People, Drag Queens, and Queerness in General

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jenks said:
No, you have misunderstood me, I am not interested in what you have to say. What I’m saying is go create a thread where you want to argue the theoretical toss - go be a cunt elsewhere - and leave this thread for highlighting the shitty lived experience of a whole bunch of people who are being victimised by a whole range of people
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My, aren't you articulate: you just can't get away from using a disparaging word for female genitalia to mean something bad. That kind of makes you misogynist; try calling people a cabbage instead 😉

You don't get it: I am saying that people like you are also victimising them through pushing ill-conceived conversion therapies and societal changes too prematurely (in more than one sense of the word).

Amusing that you've styled yourself as the thread copper. Judging from that and your dogged ineloquence I guess you'd be very much like the bawling authoritarian who attempted a constructive expulsion of her young charges.
 
maxi

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luka said:
you don't get anywhere without a pile of broken bodies. if loads of women get raped in toilets by men saying their women then that will decide that for example. but you need the martyrs and the sacrifices. that's how it works. it's not by theory and principle
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The danger isn't from men saying they're women necessarily, it's from men in general who are given access as a result of the policy changes. disingenuous activists claim that women concerned about losing their spaces are calling trans people predators, but the concern is that once inner feelings are the only criteria for entry to that space, any predatory men can enter unchallenged. and they obviously will. and then in some cases the authorities just skip to the end and call them unisex with predictable results

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/20...ls-sexually-assaulted-gender-neutral-toilets/
 
maxi

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luka said:
if loads of women get raped in toilets by men saying their women then that will decide that for example
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also they shouldn't need to get raped or assaulted for it to be a problem. it's also about privacy and dignity. so a lot of people feel it's bad in itself even before the worst predictable consequences start happening
 
luka

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i often use the wellcome collection for a toilet and i noticed they went unisex recently, just cos it's a kind of bodged compromise to stop everyone moaning and the look of horror on everyones face as they wanlk in and realise they're going to have to shit next to a member of the opposite sex....
a solution that makes precisely no one happy.
 
luka

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there's no doors or cubicles either. it's literally just the toilets and all of us sat there trying to have a shit, not knowing where to look. it's hideous.
 
maxi

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exactly imagine you're on a date and you both go at the same time. maybe it would break the ice
 
maxi

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another compromise i've seen, like at my work, is making the disabled toilets double as a pan-gender toilet. so they've put up a new sign with the wheelchair symbol, an awkward forward slash and then something like this

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luka

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theyve done that at shakespeares globe. you can understand it. no one wants to get it in the neck.
 
Mr. Tea

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luka said:
there's no doors or cubicles either. it's literally just the toilets and all of us sat there trying to have a shit, not knowing where to look. it's hideous.
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Well if it was good enough for the Romans...

Do you have to wipe your arse on a communal sponge on the end of a stick, too?
 
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luka said:
that was a joke third. if you go to the wellcome you will find that there are in fact cubicles.
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Nah I get it was a joke. really no point to all of this debate though, those who bang on about rationality think their feelings have no part to play in all of this (and, somehow, they are completely objective arbiters because they've rejected gender) so I refuse to argue. People like Biscetto and bigbennybboyballs are of no use to anyone in this regard, you'll find out in 10 years they've become implicitly trans-accepting, (in the same way many homophobes became implicitly gay accepting) not because of rational argument but because capitalist ideology demands it to be so. destroy the last vestiges of artisanal thinking etc etc.

thirdform said:
a nice scholastic trick, but if you refuse gender, then you erase all linguistic comprehension. by that logic your hypothetical son could transition when they are 3 years old and you could not respond or curtail it at all, because you have denied gender outright, I.E: you have denied the abstraction you are railing against. So, you cannot criticise gender ideology by simply denying gender. It is like the moronic blockheaded new atheist science guy who thinks that by denying god exists, they have denied the validity of the historical and social god.
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I refer maxi to this post above, if he wants to think about the problems in biscuits form of argumentation. Otherwise, nah, zilch, not interested anymore.
 
Mr. Tea

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Slothrop said:
There's been a lot of stuff coming out lately - from the sort of general grimness that often comes with heavily male-dominated spaces to specific instances of seriously nasty abuse having apparently been kept quiet by high-profile organizations.

I mean, probably similar to many other spaces in that respect but not good.
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OK, that is pretty bad. It sounds like what's needed is better safeguarding with regard to coaching, as is the case with many sports, sadly. But surely that's a separate question to whether it's OK for men and women to complete together?
 
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