mixed_biscuits

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Saw someone claiming they were banned from Reddit's World News sub for posting the Channel 4 report.
Reddit probably looked into the background of this weird investigative agency come art project and realised that they had been cherry-picked for a reason.
 

maxi

Well-known member
Does anyone know what might be the most effective way to donate to Gaza relief right now? I was about to send something to unicef but thought I'd ask here first in case anyone has any insight
 

Clinamenic

Binary & Tweed
Does anyone know what might be the most effective way to donate to Gaza relief right now? I was about to send something to unicef but thought I'd ask here first in case anyone has any insight
I recall someone sharing a link to a notionally non-partisan humanitarian relief fund - was it you @Mr. Tea ?

Anyway, not sure if that would do, or if you're looking to give to just Gaza relief in particular.
 

Mr. Tea

Let's Talk About Ceps
I recall someone sharing a link to a notionally non-partisan humanitarian relief fund - was it you @Mr. Tea ?
Yeah, I posted a link to my FB fundraiser, although I dunno if people I'm not already connected to can see it. But I understand Medical Aid for Palestinians (the charity involved) do excellent work, so you could just donate to them. Or MSF or Red Crescent would probably be a good bet, too.
 

droid

Well-known member
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Mr. Tea

Let's Talk About Ceps
but still, the wider point about the aim of israeli strategy seems consistent with their response to october 7th
That's true, I suppose, but if anyone in Israel was waiting for something from Hamas that would give them the opportunity to say "These bastards mean business, so we have to show them we mean even more business" certainly got that on 7/10.

It goes without saying that Israel's response would be disproportionate even given the scale of the Hamas attack, and would cost mostly civilian lives, and both of those have happened already, without the ground invasion even happening yet.
 

vimothy

yurp
A maddening aspect of all of this, if you take the perspective of israeli strategy, is that what's outlined above doesn't make sense, and that incoherence is manifest in the events of October 7th. However, its evident failure has not dissauaded Israel in any way; instead it seems to have, if anything, increased its resolve to push forward blindly in the hopes that previous failures are in no way indicative of the ultimate outcome.
 

padraig (u.s.)

a monkey that will go ape
I think Hamas's status as not-a-military-power might be a bit less "manifest" than it was three weeks ago.
Not really, no. Or, it depends what is meant by "military power". It's definitely possible Hamas leadership was looking at the inevitable response as an opportunity to show it's stepped up to the level of Hezbollah, i.e. can fight the IDF to a draw in prepared positions on its own ground, but that remains to be seen. And even with Hezbollah, the big caveats are the normal unwillingness of Israel to take serious casualties and international (and possibly domestic) pressure imposing military limits on the IDF, all of which may not apply now.

The initial attack was terrorism writ large, not an attempt to challenge the IDF. Neither Hamas nor Hezbollah is a serious military threat to Israel. They are rather security threats, which is a different thing.
 

padraig (u.s.)

a monkey that will go ape
One very important thing to note is that any gains Hamas has made are a direct result of Netanyahu's longrunning policy of deliberately strengthening Hamas and weakening the Palestinian Authority/Fatah, as well as keeping the two divided, in order to undermine a two-state solution.

It's unfortunately behind a paywall, but this by far the most detailed account I've seen of that policy, dating back almost 15 years (since the end of Cast Lead basically). Hard to sum up briefly bc there's so much, but it's quite damning.
 

padraig (u.s.)

a monkey that will go ape
The point the author ends with is that for all the wild rhetoric about wiping Hamas off the face of the earth, it's unlikely to happen as long as Netanyahu is in power bc they're essentially partners in preventing any peace solution
 

maxi

Well-known member
I dont think he's gone off the rails. he published a good book on cancel culture this year and the fallacy that woke = left. Particularly in relation to attempts to thwart the bernie campaign, some good detail on that
 
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