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[Pestario]

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zhaothat'swhaticalldance

ba hahaha

 

[mistersloane]

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ba hahaha

you've totally got to use that as the title of your next mix zhao, it's brilliant. zhao that's what I call music volume one, did you get them in the states? they were like the biggest selling compilations of all time in the UK

 

[zhao]

yes!

 

[massrock]

But art hasn't been about all that spiritual guff for ages anyway.

Strange thing to say. Surely art or a given artist can address what they like any time they like? What is it, stay on message, do not deviate!

But what are you defining / dismissing as 'spiritual guff' in what zhao has said here anyway?

I used the word spiritual. It doesn't imply any particular belief, it can refer to many aspects of experience / inner life. I think many people know what that might mean for them, especially in relation to music and dancing. Some, perhaps sensibly, may prefer not to use that word but snooty dismissals look like more like arrogance than differences over semantics. In fact it seems a lot like what you were accusing zhao of implying re. one person's experience being more 'special' than another.

 

[Tentative Andy]

I am a working man and I need my bangers at the weekend. I love guys like Justice and Boys Noize because they sound great when I am out of my mind I wanna go crazy.

Not to be a dick, but - isn't that the kind of attitude you always criticise in rock/indie? The sort of 'hey, it's good honest music to bop about to when you're pissed, why mess with the formula?' approach?
Part of me really agrees with you, though. I sort of can't trust someone who doesn't like a good banger (ooh err missus). Like the comments in the dubstep thread about djs playing too many 'dancefloor tunes'. Partly that reflects the particular probems that dubstep has developed, of course, but it's still a sad state of affairs that the old sort of head/body, intelligent/populist oppositons are returning in some ways.

 

[Mr. Tea]

I think swears might be having a little joke. You know how he is.

 

[Immryr]

All your threads seem to revolve around how much of a rebel or how special you are.

this is pretty much on the money. you do only seem to make threads to try and draw attention to how "out there" and "radical" you are.

you seem incredibly conceited.

i can understand how someone stuck in an 8 to 5 can be spiteful towards those who have the time to take music more seriously.

see what i mean?

 

[mistersloane]

ah leave it be people, let's not be too critical of other people in generalisations please, it's boring

swears has had me in tears of laughter this thread btw, thanks

 

[Mr. Tea]

Zhao is an adept of the divine creative Logos that was before Time.

He's available for weddings, birthdays, bar mitzvas...

Edit: fair point, mister s. I'm going to log off and get some dinner.

 

[nomadthethird]

most everyone on here would agree on what is a boring cookie cutter music, and what is innovative, interesting, as well as exhilarating music.

Leave it to me, really, but I think the word "innovative" has become the new code word for "original" (in music journalism and such) which...

...don't even get me started. Arche nothing-- either nothing is original or everything is or the word is so vague it's practically meaningless. Formal change in music usually follows technological invention. Things mutate they don't innovate.

 

[nomadthethird]

so to you dance music is disposable entertainment, and should not aspire to be like Art, which attempts to satisfy on multiple levels as listed by massrock?

i choose to think that music, even electronic dance music, can transcend quotidian humdrum, and change the way we look at ourselves and the world.

The quotidian humdrum is you. You are part of it and you can't pretend you're not. I don't get this strange world dualism.

 

[Tentative Andy]

I think swears might be having a little joke. You know how he is.

Yeah - you're almost certainly right. Ignore me pls, I'd just come straight out of work and started posting on the board in a frazzled state, which was clearly a very daft idea.

 

[empty mirror]

IS THIS THE BAD VlBES THREAD?!

:clocks in:

 

[4linehaiku]

The tagging system is slowly becoming a more and more wondrous part of this forum. I salute all of its anonymous glory.

 

[Corpsey]

Where do you draw the line between being 'made' to dance and being made to want to dance?

Over the years I've developed into a dance music snob I suppose, I just always think back to when I first got into it through DNB and pills - when I was responding to these pavlovian rave cliches (kick fills / big bassline / cheesy synth hook) with an uncomplicated joy. Now I know all about jungle/garage etc., that beat which once had me going crazy sounds increasingly stiff and monotonous - but perhaps I'm just missing the point of it by looking for things in it which are there in jungle and garage?

too tired, gone off on a tangent...

 

[mistersloane]

Where do you draw the line between being 'made' to dance and being made to want to dance?

Over the years I've developed into a dance music snob I suppose, I just always think back to when I first got into it through DNB and pills - when I was responding to these pavlovian rave cliches (kick fills / big bassline / cheesy synth hook) with an uncomplicated joy. Now I know all about jungle/garage etc., that beat which once had me going crazy sounds increasingly stiff and monotonous - but perhaps I'm just missing the point of it by looking for things in it which are there in jungle and garage?

too tired, gone off on a tangent...

You've really got a point there. Before I started making music or knowing anything about the process, I remember being on pills and lying with my mate with the speakers each side of our heads listening to Fabio and Grooverider and just being completely blown away. I thought for ages that you could take a sound and literally sculpt it - I'm dumb, I didn't realise they were waveforms or whatever - I thought you could literally see the sound in 3-D on these programmes and just carve off bits of them, like sculpture.

I think alot of people have no knowledge whatsovever about how music is made, and so, it literally becomes a magical experience.

 

[swears]

I like zhao's mixes! He's introduced me to some good stuff.

I've had bigger arguments with very close personal friends I've known since before my nuts dropped, and I love them too. One of my best friends is a weird nu-school catholic who is up on Terry Eagleton. Liberation theology and all that. I think buddhism really has something to say about "oneness" that european religious thought is totally unprepard to grasp.

But... he just needs to forget (like everybody else) about sprituality and focus on how we are basically bacteria on a toilet seat as far as the universe is concerned.

It kills me sometimes, I think the "new atheists" are onto something, but then they talk shit about how muslims are gonna take over the world, when obviously the main danger is authoritarian capitalism... like Putin, Berlosconi, fuckin' Cameron...

We're all basically on the same side, innit.

YES I AM DRUNK SO WHAT

Love you all.

 

[swears]

Strange thing to say. Surely art or a given artist can address what they like any time they like? What is it, stay on message, do not deviate!

But what are you defining / dismissing as 'spiritual guff' in what zhao has said here anyway?

I used the word spiritual. It doesn't imply any particular belief, it can refer to many aspects of experience / inner life. I think many people know what that might mean for them, especially in relation to music and dancing. Some, perhaps sensibly, may prefer not to use that word but snooty dismissals look like more like arrogance than differences over semantics. In fact it seems a lot like what you were accusing zhao of implying re. one person's experience being more 'special' than another.

Art is about toasters and vacuum cleaners and stuffed toys and ennui now. Get with the program.

 

[luka]

swears almost saved it with that drunken gush right at the end.
i dont like it when you keep going on abnout how we should all be normal and not think we're special. i know where youre coming from but it depresses me and makes me think its partly some kind of self-flagellation routine. like, you're fairly witty and presumably clever and you have a shit job and probably aren't making the most of your talents so you keep saying like, im just like everyone else. not to be rude, i mean, i presumably have a worse job and am even lazier and dissipated.
i mean, im just indulging myself, making stuff up about people, but thats the main reason i use dissensus, to observe people and make possibly unjustified assumptions about them. you dont have to think you're morally or spirtually better than other people to recognise theres some things you do much better than most people.

Music provides rallying points and reminders, excuses to surrender.

this is woth saying.