Mr. Tea
Let's Talk About Ceps
That would shatter the comforting delusion that someone - no matter how malevolent - understands what the fuck is going on and is somehow in charge.
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Clinamenic
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Yeah so much of it boils down to this, in my opinion.
luka
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i remember my cousin jessie (whos a linguistics academic) saying to me once, years ago now, have you seen that story about jews in israel ripping down posters of women in bikinis?
and i said, yeah i read about that
and she said, why do you think that's in the news
and i said, in my naive way, i guess, cos it's happening
but even as i answered i realised what she was implying. that nothing is the paper without there being some ulterior motive, some agenda being pushed or some other, more inconvnient truth being concealed.
and i said, yeah i read about that
and she said, why do you think that's in the news
and i said, in my naive way, i guess, cos it's happening
but even as i answered i realised what she was implying. that nothing is the paper without there being some ulterior motive, some agenda being pushed or some other, more inconvnient truth being concealed.
luka
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we'd always assumed she was the relatively sane one out of those cousins. they're all loopy-loo but shes got a phd, speaks fluent mandarin, works for universities etc but it gave me a whole new measure of just how paranoid a person can be. all those cousins went even loopier when covid was created needless to say
luka
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this persons face, and this staging, the presentation, all helps to explain why people consider the news to be another branch of show business
Mr. Tea
Let's Talk About Ceps
That, and the humorous balls-up.
That's very well put.
A question for me, that comes out of that is how will these people process Putin's defeat, when it comes? How they deal with that very real military fact?
And also relevant to, is when he goes how much of misinformation architecture goes with him? I know you have other state actors doing this but it tends to be case specific rather than the open ended nihilism Russia specialises in.
shakahislop
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my brother isn't quite as extreme as what you and padraig and others are describing, but his underlying main point that the conversation revolves aound when i speak to him about the news and how fake it is etc is that he is clever and everyone else is stupid
shakahislop
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it's something that you see everywhere expressed in different ways. that kind of disdain for the 'general public'. in some ways its a kind of despair.
and there is a gain of truth to it of course, in a democracy, maybe particularly ones with unbalanced electoral systems, when you watch the consequences of the ed milliband bacon sandwich, the 'he doesn't sing the national anthem' corbyn thing, and so on.
but it's a bit of a corrosive thing to have inside you i think, the idea that everyone else is stupid or alternatively incredibly selfish
and there is a gain of truth to it of course, in a democracy, maybe particularly ones with unbalanced electoral systems, when you watch the consequences of the ed milliband bacon sandwich, the 'he doesn't sing the national anthem' corbyn thing, and so on.
but it's a bit of a corrosive thing to have inside you i think, the idea that everyone else is stupid or alternatively incredibly selfish
Mr. Tea
Let's Talk About Ceps
Although I'm not sure how congruent these two models are - the news-as-entertainment model and the news-as-hidden-agenda model.
I suppose you could say that news has to be entertaining in order to draw in the widest possible audience, because there's no point trying to mould public opinion if only a few people are watching.
wild greens
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Disdain for others is one of the most natural human traits, trying to "understand" why people could possibly have a different opinion than you is just another way of expressing it.
Suggesting it's corrosive is a fair point as i guess the extreme end of this ideal is genocide but despite evolutionary advancement we're still quite tribal creatures and much prefer segregation via mental or physical grouping.
The real liars in life are those who wish to include everyone and love & peace to all etc. It's healthy to hate things and dismiss them, good to question and segregate yourself into groups of people with common interests
Ofc some people get so wrapped up in this conspiracy stuff that it overwhelms them and tbh they're probably not clever enough to see where the healthy cynicism ends and the obsessive ultra-doubt begins, but thankfully most people are clever enough to observe that and put them on the ignore/mute list and crack on with life much the way you ignore bible-bashers on the street. No offence to your brother, sure he's a great lad and just on the cusp
Loads of disdain in this post, happy to embrace it, lovely. Good start to the day. Well, I've been up since half five but you know what i mean
luka
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thats cos youre stupid
Mr. Tea
Let's Talk About Ceps
As if there was any doubt whatsoever that you were going to say that.
luka
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Is Reality Fake?
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