Syria was up to this point the most widely filmed conflict in history which is not unconnected to Russia's industrial strength disinformation campaign in that country.
Russia Surrounded
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- craner boobs disco dasha nekrasova good old obsessive antiamericanism gullfire over leningrad j. h. prynne jamaican voodoo gang from predator 2 my indian mate in year 11 with downs syndrome oliver ukrainer sanctuary of apollo shaka's secret mission snake island the black sea the good old party spirit of desert storm the gust of kiev the russo-ucranerian war wagner man falling out of the sky we're all neocons now whatabouastic whataboutery whataboutish whataboutism whataboutistic who controls the serpent
padraig (u.s.)
a monkey that will go ape
Cmon my guy, don't be silly. Every single Warsaw Pact nation has joined - always over bitter Russian opposition - and the only reason more SSRs haven't is that yunno, Russia has literally invaded the only two that have tried. Also, the remaining SSRs are mostly in central Asia, not Eastern Europe. Everyone who feasibly can has joined or tried to.
I would never in any way say this war is justified - Russia earned every bit of mistrust and hatred from its former dominions - but unlike the bullshit about preventing genocide and whatever, NATO encroachment is a very real thing, that's been going on for 30 years.
padraig (u.s.)
a monkey that will go ape
I feel like I say something like this every time Russia comes up
It's a garbage regime that does a lot of terrible stuff, but we - i.e. our policymakers, neoliberal economists, carpetbagger profiteers, and so on - created the conditions for it to come to power and happily stood by as long as it was content to be a good boy and subordinate itself to the post-Cold War order - it's the original sin. No one in power here was shedding any tears for Chechnya 20 years ago.
And if those are the realpolitik rules you play by, fine, but don't be shocked when the monster you helped create (see also: Bin Laden and etc) turns around and applies them to you. I just dislike the hypocrisy and/or ignorance - tbc that's not directed @ T or any other individual, just in general - of pretending it just springs from some unique well of Russian nefariousness rather than yunno, a set of historical circumstances our own governments had a very large hand in creating.
It's a garbage regime that does a lot of terrible stuff, but we - i.e. our policymakers, neoliberal economists, carpetbagger profiteers, and so on - created the conditions for it to come to power and happily stood by as long as it was content to be a good boy and subordinate itself to the post-Cold War order - it's the original sin. No one in power here was shedding any tears for Chechnya 20 years ago.
And if those are the realpolitik rules you play by, fine, but don't be shocked when the monster you helped create (see also: Bin Laden and etc) turns around and applies them to you. I just dislike the hypocrisy and/or ignorance - tbc that's not directed @ T or any other individual, just in general - of pretending it just springs from some unique well of Russian nefariousness rather than yunno, a set of historical circumstances our own governments had a very large hand in creating.
Mr. Tea
Let's Talk About Ceps
I always thought he was a bit of a dick, but I might have to reassess my opinion.
padraig (u.s.)
a monkey that will go ape
He's almost exclusively terrible but I wouldn't be surprised if his paleoconservative Euroskeptic thing leads him to call bullshit on the whole "we are the goodest good guys, they are the evilest evil guys" line
I.e. the enemy of my true enemy (a semi-mythic construct of multicultural progressive Western Europe) is not as bad as my true enemy makes it seem
luka
Well-known member
its not that, its more what youre saying. that we kicked them in the balls when they were down.
padraig (u.s.)
a monkey that will go ape
It's exactly the same thing, we're just saying it for different reasons
padraig (u.s.)
a monkey that will go ape
I mean it's clearly bonkers