Clinamenic
Binary & Tweed
Even some major VC players, who either are technically savvy or pay savvy people to operate for them, leave glaring fingerprints. Yet alone some elderly oligarchs who hastily turn to crypto as a last resort.
Russia Surrounded
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Leo
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another difficult choice. but speaking of 14th st stations, gotta love union square 4/5/6 where the metal grates move out to fill the gap when the train pulls in. it's insane, I always imagine daydreaming people getting their ankles crushed.
Mr. Tea
Let's Talk About Ceps
Must be the basis for some quality insults - "I heard your mom loves to ride the D-train, hyuk hyuk!" kinda thing.
shakahislop
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i've genuinely never heard that. but my friends are far too sophisticated for that. it's cancellable behaviour.
Mr. Tea
Let's Talk About Ceps
In the sophisticated version, it's your dad, not your mom.
shakahislop
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i was having this same thought the other day. specifically about getting my foot chopped off by them. listening to free jazz on the platform. the nice thing about the nyc subway is that it feels so bodged together. and so unsafe in lots of ways. it doesn't have that clean european computer sheen to it, it feels like an old car, you can see the mechanical bits.
Leo
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agree, never heard any jokes like that. abominable behavior, tea.
padraig (u.s.)
a monkey that will go ape
Your line of reasoning is sounds, but I have to basically agree with T that the cost/benefit heavily tips toward arming the populace. The Russians are going to do whatever the fuck they want to regardless, so the Ukrainians are probably much better off going levee en masse and fighting tooth + nail than they are relying on the Russian military to respect the Geneva Conventions etc.
Droid has more belief in international law than me (or most people here, I think) - I'd still agree a legal framework has significant value even if it's something that regimes only pay lip service too and apply as fits their own interests, but you run into the hard limits of its effectiveness here. There will never be a trial for Russian - or American, Chinese, etc - war criminals barring some kind of catastrophic Germany in WWII level defeat (and presumably nukes would fly long before such a point was reached anyway).
The Geneva Conventions didn't do anything for Grozny, I doubt they'll do much here, and Russia is already a complete international pariah so it's not like that can really get worse
shakahislop
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i was on the subway the other day - not the D train, the F train - and we had to stop because there was 'a person on the platform' at 14th street, which i thought was fair enough to be honest, i mean where else are people going to wait, but it turned out that there was someone sitting on the platform with their legs dangling over the edge. he moved and then i followed him when i got off, not deliberately, he was just going in the same direction, he was shouting about THE FUCKING L TRAIN, which to be fair, had been suspended making getting to brooklyn a total nightmare, everyone walking the other way was shaking their head as they walked past him. then someone else was blocking the whole corridor in the station with a table for burning and selling incense, which for some reason he was dragging against the flow, the whole place was full of scented smoke. its all kind of nice in a way, i know many people have said this before.
Leo
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it's like a remnant of old, pre-nanny state New York. they'd never get away with building something like that now.
Clinamenic
Binary & Tweed
Do you know if it's true that this sanctions agenda is as unprecedented as its being presented as? I'd assume that this kind of geoeconomic political framework (IMF, SWIFT, etc) just wasn't around, or at least not nearly as prominent, last time we had a major war in/near Europe, but I could be wrong. I don't know anything about the Iran sanctions, for example.
Leo
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some stops are like scenes from a film, dozens of characters with their own stories.
padraig (u.s.)
a monkey that will go ape
speaking of which, it's stunning how rapid and total that's been. Certainly Russia is in the wrong, but seeing people on like, dating apps, who I guarantee have never thought about Ukraine before last week, having a #standwithukraine header, is, idk. Obv that's just how things are now - #stopasianhate, a French flag FB profile pic after the 2015 attack, etc, its just wild to see it applied to yunno, the potential start of WWIII. Can you imagine Twitter during WWII? #saynotonazis
But yeah just astounding - can you imagine being so globally unpopular that even the bespoke-tailored overlords of FIFA are like "hey bro, sorry, we can't afford to have you tarnish our international reputation"?
padraig (u.s.)
a monkey that will go ape
I don't
Idk how the Iran sanctions compare besides both involving SWIFT
Yes, the IMF and so forth is all a product of the post-WWII order, i.e. Bretton Woods
The Iraq sanctions in the 90s might be a better comparison tho 1) there's a lot of debate about their actual impact which I'm unqualified to judge 2) I don't think they really targeted Saddam and his inner circle individually like these are supposed to
Clinamenic
Binary & Tweed
And I guess the fact that these sanctions are a possibility, may incentivize leaders/oligarchs to economically bind themselves to the welfare of the people, almost in the manner of taking hostages? But on the plus side, maybe that better aligns the motivations of the leaders with those of the people?
Clinamenic
Binary & Tweed
As if to say to foreign sanction-issuers,"You hurt me, you hurt a bunch of innocent people."
Clinamenic
Binary & Tweed
Because if the leaders are well-insulated from the wider economy, that may mean they are more easily targeted by these precision sanctions.
