GhostofKinski

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Maybe Russia's a factor with Carlson in particular, but the gist of it seems to be that there are lots of right wingers who don't want a repeat of Iraq and Afghanistan, i.e. getting pulled into something big which requires direct American involvement and could go on for years and years.
That’s a good point. The only isolationist/non war types on the right were paleo-conservatives which are functionally extinct nowadays. There’s is a larger libertarian right movement that is growing over her for the first time, or I should say, first time on my radar.
 

version

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That’s a good point. The only isolationist/non war types on the right were paleo-conservatives which are functionally extinct nowadays. There’s is a larger libertarian right movement that is growing over her for the first time, or I should say, first time on my radar.

Yeah, Massie's trying to keep the US from getting too involved.

 

luka

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Its quite extreme going to the leader of a country we know where you live. Behave or else. But mqybe its good i dunno. Craner thought thats exactly what we should of done with putin. Maybe it would of worked
 

GhostofKinski

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Israeli ‘Advising’ Tehrans residents to evacuate the city.
U.S. embassy in Jerusalem being vacated.

May justice prevail.
My faith is with the brave souls of Iran.
Having said that: any blood of US servicemen is on Trump & Netanyahu’s hands.
And I/we, the growing American electorate. Especially my bothers and sisters and their families will make them pay at the ballot box or through other means.
 

germaphobian

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The Americans should have thought of that before they meddled over there to protect their oil interests.

I won't disagree, but I'll give a more controversial point - American meddling is not always such a bad thing. Sometimes getting rid of the meddling has been much worse than the meddling itself. And sometimes the so called meddling has really helped and been welcomed and embraced, like in the case of Eastern Europe at certain points in history.
America is not just a purley negative force that turns good countries bad, I reject that point of view as such. It's more of a scapegot for all sorts shitty authoritarians who mae their own people live in a misery. And, , of course, it's a lefty catch-all explanation why any number of countries are such shitholes, since that - obviously - can't be due to countries own agency (in that cosmology that would be considered racism or some other -ism I guess) it must be machinations of Uncle Sam, right? Otherwise they would bloom and boom, and thrive like Venezuela.
Although communist lead to a miserable state of things everywhere it was applied, Allende - he would have been different, if not only for those bloody Americans... and so on and so forth.
 

germaphobian

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Again, I won't say I support the gream many American blunders and stupidities, neocons are pretty insane in some ways, but it comes with many, many caveats.
That standart chomskian view on this issue (and on reality as such) is such a massive simplification of actual complexity, that I would safley venture to call it a case of borderline retardation.
 

version

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I won't disagree, but I'll give a more controversial point - American meddling is not always such a bad thing. Sometimes getting rid of the meddling has been much worse than the meddling itself. And sometimes the so called meddling has really helped and been welcomed and embraced, like in the case of Eastern Europe at certain points in history.
America is not just a purley negative force that turns good countries bad, I reject that point of view as such. It's more of a scapegot for all sorts shitty authoritarians who mae their own people live in a misery. And, , of course, it's a lefty catch-all explanation why any number of countries are such shitholes, since that - obviously - can't be due to countries own agency (in that cosmology that would be considered racism or some other -ism I guess) it must be machinations of Uncle Sam, right? Otherwise they would bloom and boom, and thrive like Venezuela.
Although communist lead to a miserable state of things everywhere it was applied, Allende - he would have been different, if not only for those bloody Americans... and so on and so forth.

I was talking specifically about Iran though.
 
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