I asked sufi to lock this thread when he gets the chance
It's not about luka. He was just the one who dared speak up. And now I am speaking up because you're being a cunt and all the while playing the fucking victim. Like a kid. It's really irrelevant about luka. You forced me to say it. Look back in the thread I avoided it at first but you wouldn't let it go and the fact is we were all thinking it. He just was the first to tell you to your face. And now you're going to try and twist this into me throwing him under the bus to avoid taking any responsibility for your downright disgusting behaviour in this thread. And yet you're the fucking high moral authority on everything social, political and historical. You're a fucking child.
After seeing a bit of that article about “conceptronica” what really worries me is the author divorces techno from its political history by saying its either escapism or political. As if both conditions hadn’t coexisted for Black and Brown people who lived this music first.
I think some people have a bad tendency to think 90s raves as the birth of techno when really its birth started closer to the home of Motown and Jazz.
It worries me that artists think they are the pinnacle of innovation by inserting politics into their techno and calling it “experimental.” Black people especially pioneered this genre and some forms of it were political!
You think he'd admit it?
The chat on Twitter's died down a bit now, but there's still the odd person discussing it.
Yeah I would admit it. When third pisses me off I tell him he's pissing me off
Who said that? some of that i agree with, some of it i disagree with. on twitter I said that without Ron Hardy, detroit techno would not have really crystalised as a scene, it would be high school electropop. gay hedonistic chicago was the key to pushing the detroit cats to make their own specific take on post-disco music.
all your chillwaves and conceptronicas are kind of the crude hashings of the early stages of what's to come. It will only get slicker.
it absolutely doesn't, not any more or less than conceptual art
"naive art" is a loaded, slippery term, but it can be applied to music just as well as any other art form
unskilled music is usually terrible, but occasionally it's great or even transcendent. just the same as unskilled painting, film, whatever.
The Shaggs, The Godz, first Stooges LP, Electric Eels, Desperate Bicycles, first Germs 7", Urinals, Disorder + all the Japanese noisecore they inspired, lo-if black metal demos
there are plenty of other examples. some are knowing, some are truly naive (in other words sometimes badness is all or partially deliberate, sometimes it isn't).
just as any art form. you're privileging music in a way that isn't true. music has an aesthetics of badness (taste or quality) just like anything.