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yeah i heard of that one - inga copeland references it somewhere i think. dunno if i wanna get into it. any good?
padraig (u.s.)
a monkey that will go ape
my go-to near as Platonic ideal of that is black metal. I've talked about this on here before I'm sure.
early 90s trve kvlt black metal is predicated on this very elaborate fantasy - corpsepaint, grainy black and white photos, silly demon names
an illusion which you know is an illusion but you still buy into as the mystique, helped by all the infamous Norwegian spillover into reality
but which becomes impossible to maintain with any kind of straight face once dudes are just on social media like anyone else
it becomes just like the people in this thread, a bunch of bitchy gossip with heavy careerist overtones
albeit the juxtaposition with the fantasy is much starker than it is for yr Brooklyn elite types so the sense of absurdity is correspondingly heightened
padraig (u.s.)
a monkey that will go ape
one of my common themes is how the psychedelic exists in "the space between the potential and the measured - the imagined and the real"
and I think you could relate that to celebrity and pseudocelebrity here, not (necessarily) the psychedelic but the imagined
the idea that you're "interacting" with famous ppl - or anyone - via their curated online selves is both real and illusory
I'm pretty sure that sense of knowing someone through their online self is even more illusory than it was for a Katharine Hepburn
bc in Hepburn's cause the fantasy is overt, whereas with ppl u follow in IG etc there's a further illusion that this is their "real" life
which gets back to the psychedelic existing in the space of potentiality - identifying with a celebrity seems to in a similar psychic space
and I think you could relate that to celebrity and pseudocelebrity here, not (necessarily) the psychedelic but the imagined
the idea that you're "interacting" with famous ppl - or anyone - via their curated online selves is both real and illusory
I'm pretty sure that sense of knowing someone through their online self is even more illusory than it was for a Katharine Hepburn
bc in Hepburn's cause the fantasy is overt, whereas with ppl u follow in IG etc there's a further illusion that this is their "real" life
which gets back to the psychedelic existing in the space of potentiality - identifying with a celebrity seems to in a similar psychic space
padraig (u.s.)
a monkey that will go ape
tbh I can't tell if I'm just mundanely riffing on social media and some of my other usual themes or if I'm on the cusp of something v profound
but here's the money shot of me talking about it in the dematerialization thread a couple years ago
wherein simultaneously everything is knowable and nothing is known
but here's the money shot of me talking about it in the dematerialization thread a couple years ago
what I think I'd add now is that it's become apparent - or it clarified into focus - that the Internet is a land of endless information and no facts
wherein simultaneously everything is knowable and nothing is known
Leo
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does Elizabeth "Eliza" Ryan run in this universe? LES versus BK based, but on the committee that books Warm Up lineups at PS1, always backstage at Oneohtrix gigs, etc.
IdleRich
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Yeah no-one (in their right mind) would have though that they knew Katherine Hepburn but lots of people probably really think they know these guys, even though they assure people that they know it's not really real.
constant escape
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Another instance where the performance involves denouncing ostentatious/performative ethos, just in bad faith, no?
constant escape
winter withered, warm
More generally, another instance of bad faith denunciation, while continuing to reap the rewards of that which you claim to denounce?
padraig (u.s.)
a monkey that will go ape
not to my knowledge
once you get upstream of equal treatment it seems like it immediately gets v sticky wrt personal autonomy vs equality
how can it be any individual's responsibility to desire someone else more or less than they do?
i.e. the incel idea that women (or anyone) owe them sex is obviously untrue and reprehensible bullshit, but it speaks to a real frustration
and it seems like there should be a better answer than "deal with it and/or become more desirable to ppl you want to fuck/work with/etc"
not that I have a better answer, other than try to practice empathy and be aware of the way external power relations and cultural hegemony might influence the formation of your internally generated desire
padraig (u.s.)
a monkey that will go ape
while the right obviously doesn't care about reconciling desire and egalitarianism - not that you said they do
both bc they're not egalitarian and bc they're generally perfectly content with some traditional view of gender relations, often but not always - usually depending on how religious a portion of the right you're talking about - backed by "biology" (not say biology doesn't influence desire - clearly it hugely does - but that MRM or whatever interpretation of biology is specifically a tool in service of ideology rather than attempt to actually understanding how something works)
both bc they're not egalitarian and bc they're generally perfectly content with some traditional view of gender relations, often but not always - usually depending on how religious a portion of the right you're talking about - backed by "biology" (not say biology doesn't influence desire - clearly it hugely does - but that MRM or whatever interpretation of biology is specifically a tool in service of ideology rather than attempt to actually understanding how something works)
padraig (u.s.)
a monkey that will go ape
I wasn't actually thinking alone those lines but that's true
coolness - sprezzatura - doesn't have to be weaponized - but that's how you weaponize it
it's an inversion of the famous (possibly apocryphal) Carl Sandburg quote about pounding the table
if you have the facts, argue the facts. if you have the ideas, argue the ideas. if you don't have either, make some pithy, cutting remarks abt the oppo.
brings to mind aristocrats - i.e. inheritors of sprezztura - in ancien regime Europe, the emphasis on cutting wit
in that particular case it's enjoyable bc the people she's using it on so richly deserve it
beiser
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Amia Srinivasan did a very good piece on the topic in the LRB: https://www.lrb.co.uk/the-paper/v40/n06/amia-srinivasan/does-anyone-have-the-right-to-sex
padraig (u.s.)
a monkey that will go ape
but it seems like that's how most discourse works, not just online
what you could say is that online facts and ideas become even less important than cutting wit and/or the equivalent of shouting
as I was talking about above in re the Internet as a place of endless information and no facts
hence the endless field of neologisms and memes devoted to pithy status-lowering
"self-own", sir this is an Arby's/Wendy's, imagine [x thing], etc ad inf
what you could say is that online facts and ideas become even less important than cutting wit and/or the equivalent of shouting
as I was talking about above in re the Internet as a place of endless information and no facts
hence the endless field of neologisms and memes devoted to pithy status-lowering
"self-own", sir this is an Arby's/Wendy's, imagine [x thing], etc ad inf