Murphy

cat malogen
it looked a bit silly to me i couldnt get into it. its still lying round the flat i guess

sitting round flats is key, getting enfolded into being obliged showing a face, and it’s cheap

young Americans, flats are condominiums on a smaller slightly sketchier social scale by comparison of the randomness of who might attend at any given moment, randomness being an element in life I‘m aware you‘d prefer removed entirely
 

luka

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sitting round flats is key, getting enfolded into being obliged showing a face, and it’s cheap

young Americans, flats are condominiums on a smaller slightly sketchier social scale by comparison of the randomness of who might attend at any given moment, randomness being an element in life I‘m aware you‘d prefer removed entirely
i meant nightwood!
 

line b

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"in 1880, in spite of a well-founded suspicion as to the advisability of perpetuating that race which has the sanction of the Lord and the disapproval of the people, Hedvig Volkbein, a Viennese woman of great strength and military beauty, lying upon a canopied bed of a rich spectacular crimson, the valance stamped with the bifurcated wings of the House of Hapsburg, the feather coverlet an envelope of satin on which, in massive and tarnished gold threads, stood the Volkbein arms—gave birth, at the age of fortyfive, to an only child, a son, seven days after her physician predicted that she would be taken.

Turning upon this field, which shook to the clatter of morning horses in the street beyond, with the gross splendour of a general saluting the flag, she named him Felix, thrust him from her, 11 and died."

Strong start imo
 

IdleRich

IdleRich

I guess they've always happened everywhere but I feel that they've risen to a certain kind of prominence more recently. Along with this rise "Afters" has emerged as the universal term for those (slightly) more exclusive gatherings of people huddled round a small table in someone's living room and lasting, as a rule, for between three hours and three days. I wonder if this naming of the culture has skewered it a little and perhaps solidified it somewhat - or am I just talking bollocks?

But I definitely read or hear the term Afters an awful lot these days, normally deployed in such a way as say "you all know what I'm talking and what I mean with every particular cos you've been doing them for years just as I have and you're equally jaded and bored of them of course".

Often the basis for a joke or humorous meme etc but just as when the subject is taking a particular drug, the joke is not normally that funny or even important, the main point of such memes is just to enjoy the recognition of a shared culture.

I dunno if I said that well. I just mean that when you see a meme with a joke about, say, taking coke, the joke is not normally that funny but the point is it often splits the world into two halves; those who have regularly taken coke and understand exactly what is being referenced and what it means and can then nod knowingly feeling superior to group two, which is those who have no idea what it means or have a vague idea it's something about drugs maybe and so they skip to the next thing.

Did I imagine this or didn't Pete Tong do the voiceover on a Mitsubishi advert? A family in the the living room watching telly when that comes on and the different generations are being hit by something completely different, the teenagers having a completely different experience to that of their parents. Quite clever in that sense I suppose, but does it sell more cars?
 

IdleRich

IdleRich
When we say "myth" it's hard to know how much reality grounds it. I think that scene exists for people with extreme social stamina. They go out at 6pm and are okay coming back at 4am. All night long they're with people, on a regular basis. It sounds rather exhausting. And I'm not sure how you'd get any work done, even though these are frequently artist- or writer-identifying types. Some of them (e.g. Gasda, Crumps, Kaitlin Phillips, Nathaniel Otting Weaver) make their social network the basis of their art, or their art itself.

Cos it is the work!

Well, what I want to say here is something like "For amateurs it forms the basis of their work, but for the real-deal, the advanced practitioners it truly is itself the work". Which sounds cool but sadly I don't see how it can really be true.
 

IdleRich

IdleRich
I dont really remember it being about a 'scene' in this way. More like a small group of friends who are bohemiem and surely theres earlier examples than that right? But maybe Im wrong

Aren't there two slightly different versions of the book, as with The Magus by Fowles and Kinski's autobiography? I understand that all of the above have two extant versions where neither is deemed a final, definitive version, but rather they are simply different with each having some extra bits the other lacks. I dunno how such a situation comes about, maybe some sort of dispute with different people claiming the right to issue it or something...

All I know is that in each case I only found out long after I had read the book (or one if its versions) and so I was unable to work out which one I had read - just in case I did want to read one with the aim of feeling that I had truly read the book.
 

IdleRich

IdleRich
Well its not just clubs is it, afters are a normal part of uk drinking/social culture aren't they

Is it not in America?

Maybe i am missing something here its been a long day

When we were last in Dusseldorf we ended up going back to a few Afters. One was at the house of this guy from NY, he said "This kinda thing never ever happens in NY" - I absolutely assumed he was talking bollocks.

I am way too polite to say something like "Just cos you're not being invited to them doesn't mean they ain't happening" but that was exactly what I was thinking, and everyone else too I imagine.
 

wektor

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Yeah everyone talks about "afters" (short for "after hours" and "after party"), it's seen as the much more exclusive event, often the "real" event. There's the public watering hole where you network and then the inner circles + whoever they picked up or liked at the watering hole heads back to someone's apartment. This is all over Whit Stillman films (Metropolitan, Last Days of Disco) and I believe the basis for the new Matt Gasda play.
in case you have not believed it until now, here you have the proof. Gus has never been out properly aside from open bar crypto events.
just look at this explanation of what an afters is.
you can really tell he's never been to one. is this really what "the west" is?
I swear if NYC is like that, half of the people described in this thread live lifestyles considerably less cool and interesting than the Warsaw high schoolers I know.
 

wektor

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where my first afters were, I saw evian christ live just before in the building portrated on the left in the background
iu
 

wektor

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it might be just the NYC tho, very posh and raised in good homes, NYU students and all. all very sensitive.
the UK noveau riches like to get a bag and be annoying, up to the point some make it a part of their personality to go to high street clubs for a "techno" party every week, similar trends everywhere these days. afaik it is slowly replacing (or already replaced, in some places) what used to be the tech house scene, as one of the dissensus users pointed out on twitter.
 

shakahislop

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I can barely stay out until the clubs here close (usually about 6am, not that I've ever made it that far), so I have no idea what the reality is with regards to afters. But I wouldn't be surprised if it's less of a thing here just because people's flats are so small. it's an order of magnitude worse than London in that respect I think.
 
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