The Antisocial Libido

[constant escape]

Oh! Perhaps fascism can also be considered a perverted expression of some profound impetus, and that impetus in its unperverted essence is what I am "stealing", rather than the characteristic heart of fascism. The character is itself largely incidental, contingent upon this or that perversion of the integrity of the impetus.

 

[constant escape]

 

[constant escape]

So that impetus would have to be repermutated in some more egalitarian form. That is what is I;ve meant when I've mentioned the synthesis/reconciliation of vitality and egalitarianism.

 

[luka]

Oh! Perhaps fascism can also be considered a perverted expression of some profound impetus, and that impetus in its unperverted essence is what I am "stealing", rather than the characteristic heart of fascism. The character is itself largely incidental, contingent upon this or that perversion of the integrity of the impetus.

I was taught, in the Pink Temple, that fascism was the exaltation of the will, force. They told me that the in breath is will the out breath is surrender and that there's a lovely point in between where the magic happens. That's what they taught me and they told me to pass it on.

 

[luka]

Very zietgeisty thread this of course because so many young people feel angry and betrayed by the permissive culture and still saddled with disabling guilt and self loathing despite today's moral lassiez fairer excuse spelling

And a generation are discovering or trying to find their way towards self control and the exalted will.

Which has an alarming side to it which we're all aware of but there is a truth there somewhere

Society is riddled with man traps. Sin is just another name for snare drink drugs pornography junk food the entertainment industry all of these things can become compulsive behaviours and prevent Personal Growth and it's worth finding ways to escape from those traps.

Im Always very interesting in the bodybuilding stuff I keep bringing it up cos there I think you do see a rhetoric of fascism. And typically, if you look at the inspiration memes and stuff it's about bullying and hectoring the body, a kind of drill sergeant in the head


Alright you miserable worm, give me 10

Pain is just weakness leaving the body push give me more

You can see how this movement, disgusted with decadence and self defeating behaviour, with uncontrolled impulse and addiction, could slide very easily into fascism, is in fact already doing so

And you can see how those who profit from these compulsive behaviours could be designated enemies of the people
and there's all sorts of interesting tensions here, politically speaking.

How do you square this kind of fascism with a generally pro capitalist outlook for instance?

my feeling is that the exalted will IS fascism. Is force. Is violence. Is rape.

But I share some of the same dissatisfaction with the current situation and my programme for escape would look superficially similar.

 

[luka]

"The genital character type can sense, feel, and express sufficiently to be able to experience satisfaction in all areas of life. Because he is free to experience and actualize satisfaction, he does not build up body or character defensive armor. He is not regressed to earlier, immature modes of gratification and thus functions in a mature capacity. His aggression through assertion is available for mastery of work and love.

Energetically and biophysically the Genital character has available movement, fluidity, and flexibility in the body. There is suppleness in the musculature and a lack of physical symptoms and stasis. The natural free-flowing energy is not stopped by extreme tension, flaccidity, over or underdeveloped muscles, and chronic gripping, for example, in the neck, shoulders and back. Body weight is consistent with good health and well-being and not a preoccupation. The eyes are alive, open and contactful. The mouth is soft and capable of relaxing without tension in the jaw. The voice is strong and expressive without constriction. The circulation flows to the extremities so the person can maintain warmth. The belly is soft and pliable to allow ease of digestion and elimination. The pelvis is mobile and able to feel full sensations. The breath is open, full, and consistent.

Sexually, this character type can surrender to a loving mate without problems and has sufficient available energy and contact to experience sexual satisfaction. Integrity in relationships is maintained.

This character type is comfortable in her skin and responds naturally without self-consciousness or awkwardness, and is capable of spontaneity and good contact. Feelings are accessible across the entire spectrum – from deep sadness and grief to appropriate anger and hate. The range of experience is from pleasure to pain, all willingly felt and integrated."

Reich

 

[luka]

I would love to know what caused this surrender. This will to convergence with, I'm a bit wary of using the word capitalism, but whatever this main thrust of history is. This aquiesence and end of resistance. This failure of the will

 

[luka]

@shiels say something so brilliant original and profound it will change the way we think about ourselves forever please

 

[luka]

@shiels say something so brilliant original and profound it will change the way we think about ourselves forever please

Don't overthink it!

 

[shiels]

I'm sussing out stan's project. He's going for tantric-marxism I think

 

[luka]

His ideology is still unconscious and inherited. He hasn't uncovered it yet. That will come later. He's working on techniques now. Experiment. Information gathering.

 

[shiels]

That is what is I;ve meant when I've mentioned the synthesis/reconciliation of vitality and egalitarianism.

he stole this from me in the brooklyn thread but he can have it

Its maybe dangerous area to explore, i see parrallels with your reuniting psychedelia with the avant garde, how to channel the competitive edge toward innovation in service of the whole, reckoning with the sexlessness of equality and all that

 

[constant escape]

Also, regarding the advent of online porn, at what generational point can we consider the social, sexual libido to be vicarious by default? Like the norm, for attaining sexual fulfillment of libidinal potential, is by watching other people kinetically fulfilling said potential.

It seems like we've already past this point, historically, but I don't wanna just generalize my experience onto my whole generation. That said, I have no reason to believe that my porn consumption as a teenager was extraordinary. If anything, it was lower than average.

The shift, as a technologically-enabled generational shift, would be gradual, correlated with the technical development of porn from paper to pixel. At the start of this gradient, the social, sexual libido is expressed directly, by default. At the end of the gradient, this expression is indirect, vicarious.

Does this vicarious fulfillment involve identifying with one of the sexual players in the porn? Could this be said to be an implicit or unconscious identification? Or is identification not necessary to attain the fulfillment of libidinal potential?

 

[constant escape]

Like now it feels like we are way past this gradient.

 

[constant escape]

And I would also correlate this kind of development with a heightened social anxiety, which I think is increasingly pronounced among generations who are born deeper and deeper into the internet. Not sure how they correlate, however.

 

[constant escape]

And it all plays into the atomization of the collective body. Congregations become dematerialized, which becomes the default for new enough generations.

 

[constant escape]

One conceptual strategy I find helpful when mapping out sociologies like this across generational grades, is a sort of perpetually ratcheting frame of reference. What was novel for one generation may be the default for the next.

So the perspective which is situated, across psyches, at the generational cutting edge, would be a perspective that involves a periodic recalibration of standards. By "periodic" I specifically mean "according to more or less regular time intervals" (edit: I.E. generational intervals)

The intrapsychic (within an individual psyche) perspective is the one that is situated on some established norm, taking starting parameters as default (?).

The transpsychic ("across psyches") perspective is the one that tracks generational developments, developments across iterations. There is no default, no normativity, beyond whatever can be utilized statistically and only statistically.

That is, its tough to appreciate these developments if they are understood from a position which plants its feet within the framework of normativity that is endogenous to an individual psyche. In other words, a fixed reality is not enough. The subject's default reality must be exited, if they are to process these things thoroughly enough.

 

[constant escape]

And what happens to any so-called reality principle once reality is exited?

 

[constant escape]

But back to the topic at hand (which is, funnily enough, increasingly at hand, according to these developments).

Perhaps it may help some, if we consider the development of the sexual relation between bodies, in light of the above. This relation is more and more circuitously mediated by technical interfaces, by technology more generally, and that seems to sever certain critical facets of the dialogue of said relations.

Watching porn is a one-way information flow. Having sex, making love, busting a nut, snuggling, etc are two-way information flows. The deprivation of this reciprocality I think is the primary causal factor for any generationally-novel social anxiety to be discerned. Sexual, or just social more broadly (as in one-way, parasocial relationships with favorite content providers and hosts).

 

[luka]

I think so too.