The Antisocial Libido
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I do remember: I used to view meaning as this scarce resource, a cognitive construct that was fragile and that, if the cultural tides changed, could vanish. Standard undergrad "uh oh postmodern relativism made us all depressed, better invent literary metamodernism!" stuff.
Nowadays I more view meaning as the flowing river each of us follows. Look under someone's life trajectory for its organizing logic—there you'll find the river.
Nowadays I more view meaning as the flowing river each of us follows. Look under someone's life trajectory for its organizing logic—there you'll find the river.
constant escape
winter withered, warm
I mean I'm unclear, but it seems to involve a fundamentally algorithmic perspective of the development of matter. I think I posted the long article he wrote in 2020, where he described some basic, truly basic algorithmic principle of "turn this arrangement of nodes into that arrangement of nodes" and how the same network of nodes can be reiteratively fed through this algorithm, and with enough iterations, you get these wildly complex networks that involve seemingly non-random and organized arrangements.
shiels
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so are you saying that in messy periods successful populist / fascist rhetoric tells a simple story that makes the disenfranchised feel like heroes while they indulge their base instincts?
and rather than making appeals to
Nuance and complexity we should embrace and channel these energies, become ‘bottom feeders’, play dirty
and rather than making appeals to
Nuance and complexity we should embrace and channel these energies, become ‘bottom feeders’, play dirty
constant escape
winter withered, warm
I think we need to reckon with complexity, ideally even within a populist strategy, and that is truly shooting for the stars. But if you can attain a metastable momentum, such infinite and virtually-unattainable tasks are fair game.
I think each person ought to seek within themselves that which they have been conditioned to vilify, and I doubt that is any new notion.
In terms of a mass appeal to would-be fascists, the goal is to intuitively and meaningfully demonstrate that the will to excellence can be preserved in a manner that does not channel negative energy toward other humans. I think thats the gist, but I could be overlooking something.
constant escape
winter withered, warm
Metaphysically, this can be visualized as a gradual sublimation of the expression of libidinal potential, such that you are contracting a beam of energy into a finer and finer thread, up to the point where it reaches a sort of singularity and becomes entirely abstract.
It does seem to involve venturing into what would otherwise be considered a hyperindividualism, like instead of relying on feedback provided by other humans, you increasingly derive libidinal fulfillment from within. Autotelos. This also seems to be the neitzschean ubermensch project, but I;m not sure how deeply he elaborated it as as such.
constant escape
winter withered, warm
And a grappling with the heart of that which fascism is a perversion of, is largely congruent with a grappling with neitzsche.
WashYourHands
Cat Malogen
Remember when porn was Joan Collins in suspenders in some shit 70’s slab of kitsch?
Remember when titillation was a flash of stocking top on Benny Hill or Kenny E’s shows?
Remember Mrs Cartwright in English lit, with the cleavage and a vagina you knew was nectar?
That’s erotic poverty. The British are dons at suppressing these desires, but I still don’t know why a few black sdhlongs inverted sexuality in any way.
Remember when titillation was a flash of stocking top on Benny Hill or Kenny E’s shows?
Remember Mrs Cartwright in English lit, with the cleavage and a vagina you knew was nectar?
That’s erotic poverty. The British are dons at suppressing these desires, but I still don’t know why a few black sdhlongs inverted sexuality in any way.
shiels
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this sounds like the channelling of kundalini energy up the chakras and out the snake head
constant escape
winter withered, warm
Interesting. I don't know anything about chakras/kundalini other what whatever I already know that happens to align with it. Is the goal, regarding chakras, to sublimate some kind of vulgar libidinal energy into a higher plane? Or is it about attaining a sort of equilibrium within the vulgar expression?
constant escape
winter withered, warm
I like the sound of that, and its an interesting situation because of the variety of banners that can be hoisted simultaneously, banners that seemingly contradict one another. And I;d imagine that tantric marxism could prove to inherit a meaningful momentum, however niche.
constant escape
winter withered, warm
Just had a thought that, momentum-wise, seems to run directly against that of this thread - might as well put it here.
The thought was about sincere socialization, a very romantic thing. About the experience of the self as being on a level and cooperative plane with those you encounter, allowing for a comfort perhaps often thought impossible. And how this comfort, in its own right, allows for the navigation of higher order experiences, experiences of relationships.
What are some thoughts about sincerely navigating relationships? Even now and then I catch a glimpse at how robust these experiences can constantly be, but I'm only just learning how to integrate such modes into my strategy. As @luka pointed out it is a two-fold effort: a garnering of energy (the integration of such modes into my strategy), and the optimal expenditure of it (the execution of the strategy). But these modes can shift on the scale of seconds, rather than our scale of months.
Bear in mind that I land within that claim I made of generationally ascending rates of social anxiety. The generational beginnings of, say, being subtly repelled by the prospects of answering the phone, and coming into it a leg down. Perhaps a sense of compulsion to cater to the other, to earn their favor - an assumption that the other is coming at you, most of the time, with more power. It could boil down to such a statistic.
The thought was about sincere socialization, a very romantic thing. About the experience of the self as being on a level and cooperative plane with those you encounter, allowing for a comfort perhaps often thought impossible. And how this comfort, in its own right, allows for the navigation of higher order experiences, experiences of relationships.
What are some thoughts about sincerely navigating relationships? Even now and then I catch a glimpse at how robust these experiences can constantly be, but I'm only just learning how to integrate such modes into my strategy. As @luka pointed out it is a two-fold effort: a garnering of energy (the integration of such modes into my strategy), and the optimal expenditure of it (the execution of the strategy). But these modes can shift on the scale of seconds, rather than our scale of months.
Bear in mind that I land within that claim I made of generationally ascending rates of social anxiety. The generational beginnings of, say, being subtly repelled by the prospects of answering the phone, and coming into it a leg down. Perhaps a sense of compulsion to cater to the other, to earn their favor - an assumption that the other is coming at you, most of the time, with more power. It could boil down to such a statistic.
constant escape
winter withered, warm
Also, I have not yet been in love, but I would imagine that the experience could be analyzed robustly, in the manner of making a map, as the transition from the attraction of the libido to the other's body, to the attraction of the libido to the concept of the other person.
Not sure how the individual (intrapsychic) and evolutionary (transpsychic) frameworks relate.
Not sure how the individual (intrapsychic) and evolutionary (transpsychic) frameworks relate.
Woebot
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the vedic strategy/concept of the successive activation of the chakras - from root to crown - is a set of techniques for dismantling the genital sexual impulse and folding it into the state of what Freud called the polymorphous perverse.
the yogis won't generally mention the sexual aspect (some, like rajneesh, do) but the act of continence (not having sex) causes the entire body to become sexualised - and that sexual ecstacy to dissolve the ego's boundaries.
luka
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WashYourHands
Cat Malogen
Conviviality.
constant escape
winter withered, warm
Thats a good word.
Clinamenic
Binary & Tweed
Has anyone here encountered the term ‘autochorisexual’ before? Apparently it’s a subcategory of asexuality, wherein one can be aroused by sexual/erotic scenarios or even be attracted to people, but not want to actually participate in said scenarios or sexually engage with said people.
It struck a chord with me, and rang true to my ongoing experience since as long as I can remember, but I also think it may be a reflection of a certain subset of the generations who grew up with infinite free porn at their fingertips, and who basically had their sexuality sublimated into this third-person sort of experience.
Anyway, not quite “anti-social” as this thread title says, but I found this both very relieving personally, IE that enough other people experience something close to what I’ve been experiencing, and also potentially very interesting sociologically.
It struck a chord with me, and rang true to my ongoing experience since as long as I can remember, but I also think it may be a reflection of a certain subset of the generations who grew up with infinite free porn at their fingertips, and who basically had their sexuality sublimated into this third-person sort of experience.
Anyway, not quite “anti-social” as this thread title says, but I found this both very relieving personally, IE that enough other people experience something close to what I’ve been experiencing, and also potentially very interesting sociologically.