diversity

[luka]

this was on the Oto thread but we can make a whole thread out of it. what i was saying there was that we are all, at this stage, highly sceptical of a diversity that incorporates all manner of ethnicities, genders, sexual orientations, but doesn't preclude a total uniformity of thought, behaviour and ethics. this is the diversity you can find proudly displayed at facebook, google, the military industrial complex and so on. it is also the kind of diversity third has railed against in the techno scene and you can find the same heavily policed uniformity and conservatism in the art world, the publishing world and so on. it doesn't matter what you look like, or what identity you claim, provided you conform to the group guidelines.

which is in itself, inevitable and necessary to some degree. there are of course limits to true diversity, in as much as they butt up against group cohesion.
dissensus doesn't mean anything if we have more than a few token racists, or a few token indie boys.

 

[luka]

it comes up a lot when Outsiders turn up here and piss everyone off and then they have a temper tantrum and go, oh, this is not a dissensus, everyone has to follow the party line, and its absolutely true, we do. we are a group and we hate outsiders. we don't want to be contaminated and we don't want to lose our identity.

 

[WashYourHands]

Diversity ÷ Inclusivity ÷ Exclusivity x performance = Identity

 

[woops]

luka doesn't do maths @WashYourHands he can only count to ten

 

[WashYourHands]

10 ÷ 10 x 10 - 9
——————— = i
√-1

 

[Mr. Tea]

10 ÷ 10 x 10 - 9
——————— = i
√-1

You need to learn how to use brackets. See me after class.

 

[WashYourHands]

Sounds ominous, Tea, images of lederhosen and oomphah brass polka shenanigans sitting on teacher’s knee

 

[luka]

not very inspired by these responses

 

[luka]

it's one of the things i was getting at in the thread about the end of resistance. now anyone can gain power if they conform to the interests of power, and align their agenda with its agenda.

so instead of resistance to The System (Fuck the System!) it's clamouring for a position within it.

 

[luka]

perhaps im romanticising it a little bit, and i certainly dont know much about it but the trade unions seemd to work on a different basis, at least as an ideal

 

[version]

Someone was telling me the other day they felt fears of a social credit system were somewhat misplaced as social media already fulfills that role.

 

[luka]

well, not really. it doesnt stop you travelling or whatever like what you get in China. ive gone viral on tik tok btw.

 

[version]

Right, but the idea was that it's a looser, western approach to a system of social control. You get employers scanning people's social media as part of the hiring process, people looking up potential romantic partners.

 

[luka]

fair enough. did they flesh it out a bit? what do you think it means?

 

[WashYourHands]

You seem anti-diversity as it pertains to the board and pro-diversity everything else (outside/irl) @luka ? Is that too reductive?

 

[luka]

probably. these are rhetorical positions with the nuance taken out just to start a conversation.

 

[version]

fair enough. did they flesh it out a bit? what do you think it means?

Nah, it was just a brief comment they made during a discussion.

 

[luka]

what i was doing was pointing out the limitations of a certain vision of diversity
also pointing out the functional limits of a genuine diversity and how groups define themselves in part by what they are not

 

[version]

The broader discussion was a bunch of people talking about a podcast they'd listened to which described everyone as some form of addict then discussed the usual "glued to your phone" talking points.

There was another one they were discussing about how everything feels like porn.

 

[Clinamenic]

Right, but the idea was that it's a looser, western approach to a system of social control. You get employers scanning people's social media as part of the hiring process, people looking up potential romantic partners.

Yeah the western version of it is that the control stems from the private sector.