The Feminine Perspective against the Manosphere

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which ultimately devalues their enterprise and means they will never escape cold war geopoliticking, and when they attempt to, they will transplant it onto a bogeyman like China.

But they understand, at least, that international bourgeois policy needs to constantly invent casus belli
 
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0bleak said:
Well, I've outlined things how it could it affect a person's mental health and also be a contributing factor to people giving up/ending their lives.
I'm not sure why "more important" has to do with this unless you're saying it's impossible to fight against the patriarchy or be a feminist without this messaging being so pervasive.
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I agree with you that feminists can both fight the patriarchy and improve their messaging to make it more welcoming to men. But do you have a problem with my messaging? If not, then what is there to debate? Yes I criticize toxic masculinity but I'm far from a misandrist. If you feel a feminist engages in misandristic messaging, why not discuss it with them?
 
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0bleak said:
I mean, leave my nvld out of it for now, and just talking about my adhd:
Researchers have estimated that, by the age of 10, kids with ADHD receive 20,000 more negative messages and critiques than their peers without ADHD. 20,000 more negative comments. Over the course of 10 years, that’s more than 5 negative comments PER DAY MORE than their peers. And if you think about the fact that ADHD symptoms generally get more noticeable when kids begin school, and shorten that time frame to 5 or 6 years that they’re in school before age 10, we’re talking about at least 9 more negative comments PER DAY. That’s huge! Now, on top of that, thinking about the fact that kids with ADHD have a harder time with emotion regulation, these comments will hit them even harder than their peers.
Besides that, there is also the negative commentary from my nvld and the co-morbidities like anxiety and major depression, but now you also see regular negative commentary about your gender (besides the fact that you can be sure that the elevated gender contains just as many people that have made negative comments about you as people from the scum-of-the-earth gender).
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I am sympathetic to your points generally but ADHD is fake and gay and you should move on with your life

The problem is that you are falling into the victim mentality, which is analogous to slave morality but more pernicious. You are letting people label you and accepting your inheritance like a peasant being put in his place.
 
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Everytime you are tempted to use a fake and gay term like ADHD, invented by midwits for the purposes of chemically improving the control society, you should knock it off and instead ask yourself very plainly and concretely what your desires and interests are, and establish that to yourself very firmly. ADHD is just a way of saying "misaligned desires."
 
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If you like a faster pace, or higher stimulation, that's fine. But say I like to live at a faster pace with higher simulation. Say I don't actually like reading dry textbooks and doing white collar work. But don't say "Oh I have a disorder that makes me unable to sit still." Do you see how one framing is agency-affirming and desire-attuned, while the other framing is agency-undermining and preference-negating?
 
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If you like a faster pace, or higher stimulation, that's fine. But say I like to live at a faster pace with higher simulation. Say I don't actually like reading dry textbooks and doing white collar work. But don't say "Oh I have a disorder that makes me unable to sit still." Do you see how one framing is agency-affirming and desire-attuned, while the other framing is agency-undermining and preference-negating?
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I like to shoot unchallenged three-pointers rather than I have a shortness that makes me unable to dunk
 
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The problem is that you are falling into the victim mentality, which is analogous to slave morality but more pernicious. You are letting people label you and accepting your inheritance like a peasant being put in his place.
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Would you also say that finding out that i have NVLD was also letting people label me?

I actually felt some relief and vindication when I finally learned what it was. I finally had answers as to why my motor skills, social skills, visual-spatial skills etc. etc. etc. were so bad instead of where people actually were labeling me and dismissing me as "doesn't try hard enough" etc.
 
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0bleak said:
Would you also say that finding out that i have NVLD was also letting people label me?

I actually felt some relief and vindication when I finally learned what it was. I finally had answers as to why my motor skills, social skills, visual-spatial skills etc. etc. etc. were so bad instead of where people actually were labeling me and dismissing me as "doesn't try hard enough" etc.
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I don't know I don't really know anything specifically about NVLD.

I think in general it's important to keep in mind that psychiatry is still a properly medieval practice, we don't really have good theories of how anything works, we have vague theories of hormones and neurotransmitters that are only barely predictively more powerful than "4 humors" etc. I think insofar as concepts help you understand yourself, great. I just see a lot of people take labels very seriously and sacredly and it ends up limiting them as much as it does lending self-understanding. Every theory of personality also helps construct and maintain that personality in selfenforcing loops.
 
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There is something to be desired in a certain lightness of selfconcept, a certain nimbleness and provisionality, that is presently unfashionable. A certain respect for the mysteries of living in a medieval moment and a certain empowered (as opposed to cucked) sense of agency on a squishy uncertain landscape. (Versus some determonistic rationalist grid where Science reads your future in your palm.) A mysticism that allows for bespoke selfenchantment as a valid route of treatment. (Versus demanding one-size-fit-all pills to be provided by science.)

It isnt that I think all psychology is false, what I think is that (a) we dont know which of it is false (b) large proportions almost certainly are. There has been a regular avalanche the last twenty years in psych of "ironclad" and Nobel-winning theories being overturned. Nearly everything is up in the air right now. To anyone closely following the field and its internal discourses this is obvious.
 
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Biscuits do you know any academic psychologists? Have you talked to them about their field? Have you eavesdropped on their conversations in parties? Have you even listened to a podcast episodes where sharp disillusioned grad students bitch about their discipline?

I'm not trying to be rude but you talk constantly about pop psych while having no apparent reference points for the MANY epistemological conceptual statistical philosophical and procedural crises that have defined psychology as an actual discipline since its inception
 
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