Sick Boy

All about pride and egos
if they were to get more feminity into the sound to lighten the aggression then it could be an absolutely amazing sound

Absolutely. My last favourite track in dubstep was Martyn's Broken Heart remix for that exact reason.
 
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UFO over easy

online mahjong
I've been listening to the likes of Benga and Skream with a bit of a different ear of late, I think they are the closest thing at the moment to what you might call the vanguard of hardcore (not necessarily the 'hardcore continuum', more as an analogy), really fucked music for large numbers of people to go nuts to.

I reckon benga's doing more interesting things at the moment... do you remember all those really weird minimal but incredibly energetic, wonky 4x4 things n-type played at corsica the other day? they all had benga written all over them, and the more I hear that kinda stuff the more I think the two of those guys are developing in fairly different directions, although as you say the thing that links them is that they're both making aggressive, fucked music for raves
 
if Burial said that

"There’s no ‘musicianship’ in my sound, that’s the enemy of my tunes."
burial

he's chattin' s*** - he's actually cussin' himself...even if it's against the idea of it he's still chattin' s*** imo

jazz in dance music is a state of mind, and for me it heralds the end of a genres vitality.

how can that be when jazz is one of the most evolving musics that's ever existed? if you tack bits on then perhaps but if you do it right you can do some amazing s*** with anything

and the big difference between hardcore and jungle in alot of ways was the hyperspeed 'breakbeat science' that sounded like jazz drumming in loads of ways, so i think jazz has in lots of ways as a 'state of mind' had quite a strong hold in developing musics vitality, loads more examples too, but i agree that long rhodes solos and saxophones aren't really the one.

interesting...I agree in a way

i'm talking about rhythmic abstraction and breakbeat science in jungle, which seems to be an evolution of abstract jazz drumming.

being that jungle buss off that amen church break...and even though I agree with your point further up...can that really be called an evolution of abstract jazz drumming? I mean most jungle is extremely rigid when it comes to timing plus repetitive and that's nowhere near being abstract or even jazz (though jazz can be on beat too of course)...but when you pitch shift hits and do things that only technology can do...I get you :confused: lol

When i first heard jungle in my mums house in truro way far away from london, i imagined the guys to be black wearing good suits and punky haircuts.
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now THAT is interesting

I don't understand too why jazzyness is always associated with post 73 fusion too, thats not where jungles abstraction comes from, although i think garage's jazzyness is definitley 80's jazz funk and Sade sophistication!

quite on point lol!

one thing about this forum is that ppl (no one in particular) always dismiss things out of hand..."no jazz influences in dubstep, there's too many wobblers, death to pubstep, booooo to bassline, I hate half step" etc or whatever but these things are so simple...

with any music there's gonna be stuff you like, stuff you hate and generally the great stuff you'll have to dig for...just avoid the stuff you don't like and listen or find the stuff you do (this obviously applies to any genre)

and then jam lol
 

straight

wings cru
promoters i know in manchester recently booked a 'live jazz dubstep act from germany' called (wait for it) jazzsteppa. couldnt bring myself to get go down, cringey beyond belief. but to be fair probably no cringier than laurent garniers jazzy toss at sonar last year. You can can only have so many miidle class white kids with dreads and high grade getting involved in a genre before people suggesting 'jams' and that.
 
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noel emits

a wonderful wooden reason
yeah he's got releases on Hotflush :slanted:. i mean WHY would you call yourself that?
To corner the market with the definitive brand name for jazzy dubstep? Remember kids, if you want a little jazz in your step, go for Jazzsteppa, original and best. ;)
 

elgato

I just dont know
they're not even jazzy though, i went down to 1001 to check them, and it was more like rageagainstthemachinestep, i could distinguish literally no jazz influence from the set

i left very quickly
 

straight

wings cru
but was it still german geezers with dreads? 1001s one of the weirdest places ive ever been, was in there the other week about 6pm on a saturday and there were all manner of rocketheads who hadnt been to bed for days and a load of spanish students painting skateboards on the floor. a hasty retreat was made. what i think was what really pained me about the idea of the band is that it seemed to be another invasion of the beard strokers, the 'check me at WOMAD yo' acid jazzers to what is essentially machine music anchored in sound design. what was their actual setup? i suppose if it was synths/samplers etc reprazent style it wouldnt be too bad. but that name...
 
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elgato

I just dont know
I reckon benga's doing more interesting things at the moment... do you remember all those really weird minimal but incredibly energetic, wonky 4x4 things n-type played at corsica the other day? they all had benga written all over them, and the more I hear that kinda stuff the more I think the two of those guys are developing in fairly different directions, although as you say the thing that links them is that they're both making aggressive, fucked music for raves

yeh i checked Benga's show with n-type yesterday and some of his new stuff is completely sick. and as i say i feel that even the rowdier stuff is still innovative, its just cos theres so much of it its hard to see. but then they went b2b and it got very boring

N-Type is still so ridiculously jokes. masturbating foxes and banjo playing badgers...

i think Skream & Benga are still quite close in styles... both are developing distinct strains of weird minimal rollers and massive ravey bangers, both using loads of arpegiated electro melodies, and similar structures. speaking of which just recently i listened to the new Skreamizm clips properly and i think its actually a pretty sick ep
 
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elgato

I just dont know
but was it still german geezers with dreads? 1001s one of the weirdest places ive ever been, was in there the other week about 6pm on a saturday and there were all manner of rocketheads who hadnt been to bed for days and a load of spanish students painting skateboards on the floor. a hasty retreat was made. what i think was what really pained me about the idea of the band is that it seemed to be another invasion of the beard strokers, the 'check me at WOMAD yo' acid jazzers to what is essentially machine music anchored in sound design. what was their actual setup? i suppose if it was synths/samplers etc reprazent style it wouldnt be too bad. but that name...

lol - 'check me at WOMAD yo' acid jazzers! yeh the setup to be honest was hugely disappointing, one guy on laptop and midi controller, processing the singer / trombone player's efforts and working in the beats and synths etc, and a drummer, who played a very negative role... rather than working around the sequenced beats (which were out in full effect), and bringing interesting rhythmic touches or different percussion he just kind of emulated the main halfstep drum beat in an aggressive metally kind of way, but obviously due to the human element he wasn't always on, so half of it came across like a slightly clanging mix. not ideal.

i think if they worked the trombone-laptop interaction more and turned the drummer into a percussionist it wouldnt have been so bad, although still questionable as a direction for me

im kind of into the madness of that spot though, once you get past the hipsters its actually a pretty interesting mixture of ppl i feel. you could just as well be the late nineties once you're in there though, which is an odd feeling!
 
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mms

sometimes
hardly a suprise - says it all, i'm afraid. bring on the deodorant adverts.
so is this a bad thing that quite obscure music is on radio 1 daytime due to the weight of its popularity and very little else?
i was chatting to a musician friend earlier who was saying that burials interviews were amazing his concepts are amazing, he doesn't really dig his music but the ideas are inspiring and the anonymous stuff is pretty great btw.

the thing i like about burial is that he genuinely unites ppl who were old garage raver type heads and the curious 'we want new obscure academic' heads too who are a bit snobby and probably would'nt have listened to garage etc. it's interesting, maybe he might inspire a genre cos he ain't dubstep.
 
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tox

Factory Girl
Did anyone else just hear Sara Cox playing archangel by burial on radio 1 at 1230 in the afternoon? mad!

Heard Pete Tong play the 8bit remix and bill it as his "record of the year" a couple of weeks ago and Zane Lowe before that, but never thought it'd be on Radio One daytime. Doesn't show up on the playlist yet but with Zane, Tong, Cox and Peterson having all spun it I wouldn't be surprised if it broke onto the C list at some point.
 

mms

sometimes
Heard Pete Tong play the 8bit remix and bill it as his "record of the year" a couple of weeks ago and Zane Lowe before that, but never thought it'd be on Radio One daytime. Doesn't show up on the playlist yet but with Zane, Tong, Cox and Peterson having all spun it I wouldn't be surprised if it broke onto the C list at some point.

well it's not out as a single, it's not got any pluggers behind it and it's not likely to chart really, ie there are no expectations, which are all the usual prerequisites for daytime radio scheduling so it would seem unlikely to get on there without these things very often, but it would be great if it broke this pattern!
 

bassnation

the abyss
Marc, stop being such a grumpy bugger!

lol, ok that was a bit tetchy.

but i geniunley think arcangel is the worst track from a so-so album - the critical evaluation thus far is due a big correction a few years down the road, when people can see it more clearly.

i am a fan of dubstep and i loved the first lp, so i'm not just hating. maybe if the first hadn't been so ground breaking and suprising, i wouldn't be so disapointed that he didn't take it to another level with the second. but thats the wages of acheivement with music unfortunately.
 
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