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zhao

there are no accidents
you see? she attacks my spelling. she mocks my use of certain words just because they've been used by greeting card companies. all from a safe ironic distance. she attempts to back out of something she said. she claims not to understand simple, straight forward language like "get sickness out of your system".

it's like talking to a 12 year old. worse.
 
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nomadologist

Guest
Then BACK THE FUCK OFF. I'm serious. I've had it with you.

Just put me on ignore, please.
 

Gavin

booty bass intellectual
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"Baby don't hurt me, don't hurt me no more"
 

gek-opel

entered apprentice
Or transmit the sickness back into the world. The individuation of responsibility for mental health into the hands of the individual is a nice sleight of hand given the environmentally determinant conditions upon which a large amount of it is predicated...
 
N

nomadologist

Guest
I did not BACK OUT OF ANYTHING. I QUALIFIED A STATEMENT YOU TOOK OUT OF CONTEXT.

Leave me the fuck alone.
 

zhao

there are no accidents
Of course the end of all desire would destroy (this stage of) Capitalism

oh convenient of you to agree with me only 20 pages after i tirelessly try to defend the position against infantile bullshit?

but what's your delivery method? Airy aphorisms...?

meditation. clearing the mind. training the mind to be strong, self reliant, less susceptible to external conditioning. cleaning up one's life. getting rid of habits, especially bad ones. overcoming addictions. seeing the world through new eyes. these should get you started.

i know you are not really interested. but i like to give anyone the benefit of the doubt.
 

Gavin

booty bass intellectual
Doesn't Badiou say even if we have nothing at all left we still have our discipline?

Actually, I don't really like the sound of that, but I'll throw it in there nonetheless.
 
N

nomadologist

Guest
Or transmit the sickness back into the world. The individuation of responsibility for mental health into the hands of the individual is a nice sleight of hand given the environmentally determinant conditions upon which a large amount of it is predicated...

Yes, it's my fault I'm mentally ill, it's not my parents bad genes, or the fact that I was abused, or the fact that (many think) environmental contaminants have lead to a multitude of mental illnesses as birth defects, or any number of other reasons.

It's not even like I haven't actively sought therapy--I have, I have been for years. That's WAY more than most bipolar/schizos or even drug addicts do. I get professional help, I've been making progress, and I find it insulting and offensive to the extreme that strangers on the internet would think that they can "fix my problems" by lobbing some half-baked Cali hippie bullshit onto a net forum.

It's trivializing and grossly misguided.
 
N

nomadologist

Guest
THAT WAS MY SHORT ANSWER.

For the love of god, I'm putting you on ignore.
 

noel emits

a wonderful wooden reason
Or transmit the sickness back into the world. The individuation of responsibility for mental health into the hands of the individual is a nice sleight of hand given the environmentally determinant conditions upon which a large amount of it is predicated...
Of course this also depends on definitions of mental health but I think you could equally say that removal of responsibility for and ownership of your own state is the sleight of hand. Isn't that rather infantilising?

I am sympathetic to understandings of mental health in social context though.
 

gek-opel

entered apprentice
oh convenient of you to agree with me only 20 pages after i tirelessly try to defend the position against infantile bullshit?



meditation. clearing the mind. training the mind to be strong, self reliant, less susceptible to external conditioning. cleaning up one's life. getting rid of habits, especially bad ones. overcoming addictions. seeing the world through new eyes. these should get you started.

i know you are not really interested. but i like to give anyone the benefit of the doubt.

Oh FFS-- I broadly agree with most of this as generally positive things one could do with oneself (and undeniably so) but it is still insufficient.
 
N

nomadologist

Guest
Noel, I think you might like Foucault's "Madness and Civilization" if you haven't read it. I'm not saying you should read this to change your views, it's just a really interesting (if somewhat outdated) exploration of the role of madness in the development of Western "societies of control."
 

gek-opel

entered apprentice
Of course this also depends on definitions of mental health but I think you could equally say that removal of responsibility for and ownership of your own state is the sleight of hand. Isn't that rather infantilising?

I am sympathetic to understandings of mental health in social context though.

I suspect you can totally "own" one's mental state without necessarily being responsible for its inculcation...
 
N

nomadologist

Guest
It is extremely fucking insulting to assume someone who is paying an addiction specialist $300/session is "not trying" to overcome their addictions. Someone you've never even met, not once.

I just can't even...
 

Gavin

booty bass intellectual
Doesn't Badiou say even if we have nothing at all left we still have our discipline?

Ah, it refers more to organizational discipline I see...

People who have nothing--no power, no money, no media--have only their discipline as a possibility of strength. Marxism and Leninism defined a first form of popular discipline, which was trade unions and party. There were many differences, but finally that was the form of popular discipline, and the possibility of real action. And today we cannot hope that this form will continue. The real situation is that we have no discipline in the popular camp, and so we have a great weakness. In fact the best situations today are ones where the state is not really in the hands of the reactionaries, for example, the situation of Chavez in Venezuela. But that's not a complete change of the situation; it's a chance, a local chance, nothing more. It's something, but it's not the solution. The solution of the problem in the long term will be the invention of a new form of immanent discipline in the popular camp. That will be the end of the long weakness of the popular camp after the success-- but also the failure-- of the form of the party.

http://www.16beavergroup.org/mtarchive/archives/002075.php
 

noel emits

a wonderful wooden reason
Oh FFS-- I broadly agree with most of this as generally positive things one could do with oneself (and undeniably so) but it is still insufficient.
I think you might be looking for something that can not exist.

The problem being that you cannot destroy something by fighting it. You will merely feed it and perpetuate it's reality. Look elsewhere.
 
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