Since it's been a while since we had an Israel/Palestine thread...

[Mr. Tea]

https://www.btselem.org/voices_from_gaza#215343

Children killed in the bombing of one particular residential building, which killed 49 people. Zero evidence presented of any Hamas presence, and even if there was there would be no moral or legal justification for bombing the building and killing the people inside

The bombing killed 49 people, at least 20 of them minors, and injured 11. These are their names:

1. Nafez ‘Othman al-‘Aidy, 60
2. His wife: Rabab Mahmoud Abu Sweilim (al-‘Aidy), 52, their children:
3. Nabil Nafez ‘Othman al-‘Aidy, 19
4. Sabrin Nafez al-‘Aidy, 17
5. Talin Nafez al-‘Aidy, 13
6. Hani Muhammad al-‘Aidy, 41
7. His son: Mu’az Hani al-‘Aidy, 5 months
8. Sali Nabil al-‘Aidy, 21
9. Israa Khaled al-‘Aidy, 33. Her children:
10. Nabil ‘Ali al-‘Aidy, 9
11. Wisam ‘Ali al-‘Aidy, 7
12. Qays ‘Ali al-‘Aidy, 2 months
13. Ghazal Bilal al-‘Aidy, 9
14. Hala Bilal al-‘Aidy, 7
15. Nabil Bilal al-‘Aidy, 5 months
16. Maram Yusef al-Kafrawi, 26
17. ‘Ahed Mahmoud Nafez al-‘Aidy, 8
18. Rabab Mahmoud Nafez al-‘Aidy, 5
19. Rinad Muhammad al-‘Aidy, 9
20. Rimas Muhammad al-‘Aidy, 16
21. Adam Muhammad al-‘Aidy, 13
22. Rim Khamis Barakat, 33 – Ahmad al-‘Aidy’s wife
23. Yazan Ahmad Nabil al-‘Aidy, 14
24. Maryam Hamdi ‘Abd al-Qader al-‘Aidy-‘Abd a-Latif
25. Sabrin Husam Breikah, 21
26. Rimas Husam Breikah, 18
27. Siwar Abu Suliman, 19
28. Halimah a-Zein
29. Raafat a-Zein
30. Mahmoud Rafaat a-Zein
31. Muhammad Rafaat a-Zein
32. Ahmad Rafaat a-Zein
33. Saja Rafaat a-Zein
34. Raghdah a-Zein
35. Inas a-Zein
36. Mazen Muhammad Khalil Dabur, 44
37. Khaled Mazen Dabur, 17
38. Muhammad Mazen Dabur, 15
39. ‘Azzah Mazen Dabur, 20
40. Mai Mazen Dabur, 16
41. Rahaf Mazen Dabur, 8
42. Ousamah Muhammad Khalil Dabur, 38
43. Sumoud Dabur, 29
44. Alin Ousamah Dabur, 3
45. Dana Ousamah Dabur, 6
46. Sharaf Ousamah Dabur, 9

Mahmoud Nafez al-'Aidy, a 30-year-old from Rafah, lost his wife, two children, parents and brothers when his family’s building was bombed. In a testimony he gave to B’Tselem field researcher Muhammad Sabah on 30 October 2023, he related:
I lived with my wife and our two children, ‘Ahed (8) and Rabab (5), near my parents in the a-Naser neighborhood, which lies east of the city of Rafah.

On the second day of the war, Israel started shelling the area. Shells fell very close to our homes, so we had to leave along with all the neighbors. We went to stay with my cousin, Nabil al-‘Aidy, who lived in a three-story building with six apartments in the neighborhood of al-Juneinah in Rafah. We stayed in an apartment on the first floor along with my parents and brothers. In the opposite apartment were other relatives. Things were relatively quiet in that neighborhood. We only went out to stock up on groceries and didn't run into any trouble, because the area was pretty quiet. On Monday, 23 October 2023, at about 1:20 P.M., I went out to the grocery store while my family was getting ready for lunch. As soon as I stepped out of the building, I was thrown about 50 meters away. I jumped back to my feet and wanted to run to the building to check on my wife, kids, father and mother and brothers. Some passers-by found me bleeding from the head and took me to a pharmacy, where my head was bandaged. I went back to the building and found our apartments completely destroyed. I was shocked. I fainted and fell down.

I woke up in a-Najar Hospital. I had fractures and bruising and the doctors wanted to keep me there, but I insisted on going back to look for my family. When I arrived I found neighbors there, including my friend Anas al-‘Adaisi, and they all helped search for my family. We got 11 injured people out and a lot of bodies. Only the next day were we able to extract the bodies of my wife, kids, parents and brothers. The bodies were dismembered.

It was a horrible sight, indescribable. It broke me to see my boys like that. I'm in a terrible state. I don't know how I’ll deal with what happened to me. I never imagined I’d end up in this situation. I never imagined I’d lose my family like this. I’m alone in the world now. Everything I cared about is gone.

@mixed_biscuits apparently justifies this mass slaughter (alongside many, many others) and places all responsibility on Hamas, and not the people firing the actual weapons. absolutely beyond depraved.

Yeah but there might have been a Hamas militant lurking there, so they don't really count as deliberate killings, blah blah blah blah...

 

[mixed_biscuits]

https://www.btselem.org/voices_from_gaza#215343

Children killed in the bombing of one particular residential building, which killed 49 people. Zero evidence presented of any Hamas presence, and even if there was there would be no moral or legal justification for bombing the building and killing the people inside

The bombing killed 49 people, at least 20 of them minors, and injured 11. These are their names:

1. Nafez ‘Othman al-‘Aidy, 60
2. His wife: Rabab Mahmoud Abu Sweilim (al-‘Aidy), 52, their children:
3. Nabil Nafez ‘Othman al-‘Aidy, 19
4. Sabrin Nafez al-‘Aidy, 17
5. Talin Nafez al-‘Aidy, 13
6. Hani Muhammad al-‘Aidy, 41
7. His son: Mu’az Hani al-‘Aidy, 5 months
8. Sali Nabil al-‘Aidy, 21
9. Israa Khaled al-‘Aidy, 33. Her children:
10. Nabil ‘Ali al-‘Aidy, 9
11. Wisam ‘Ali al-‘Aidy, 7
12. Qays ‘Ali al-‘Aidy, 2 months
13. Ghazal Bilal al-‘Aidy, 9
14. Hala Bilal al-‘Aidy, 7
15. Nabil Bilal al-‘Aidy, 5 months
16. Maram Yusef al-Kafrawi, 26
17. ‘Ahed Mahmoud Nafez al-‘Aidy, 8
18. Rabab Mahmoud Nafez al-‘Aidy, 5
19. Rinad Muhammad al-‘Aidy, 9
20. Rimas Muhammad al-‘Aidy, 16
21. Adam Muhammad al-‘Aidy, 13
22. Rim Khamis Barakat, 33 – Ahmad al-‘Aidy’s wife
23. Yazan Ahmad Nabil al-‘Aidy, 14
24. Maryam Hamdi ‘Abd al-Qader al-‘Aidy-‘Abd a-Latif
25. Sabrin Husam Breikah, 21
26. Rimas Husam Breikah, 18
27. Siwar Abu Suliman, 19
28. Halimah a-Zein
29. Raafat a-Zein
30. Mahmoud Rafaat a-Zein
31. Muhammad Rafaat a-Zein
32. Ahmad Rafaat a-Zein
33. Saja Rafaat a-Zein
34. Raghdah a-Zein
35. Inas a-Zein
36. Mazen Muhammad Khalil Dabur, 44
37. Khaled Mazen Dabur, 17
38. Muhammad Mazen Dabur, 15
39. ‘Azzah Mazen Dabur, 20
40. Mai Mazen Dabur, 16
41. Rahaf Mazen Dabur, 8
42. Ousamah Muhammad Khalil Dabur, 38
43. Sumoud Dabur, 29
44. Alin Ousamah Dabur, 3
45. Dana Ousamah Dabur, 6
46. Sharaf Ousamah Dabur, 9

Mahmoud Nafez al-'Aidy, a 30-year-old from Rafah, lost his wife, two children, parents and brothers when his family’s building was bombed. In a testimony he gave to B’Tselem field researcher Muhammad Sabah on 30 October 2023, he related:
I lived with my wife and our two children, ‘Ahed (8) and Rabab (5), near my parents in the a-Naser neighborhood, which lies east of the city of Rafah.

On the second day of the war, Israel started shelling the area. Shells fell very close to our homes, so we had to leave along with all the neighbors. We went to stay with my cousin, Nabil al-‘Aidy, who lived in a three-story building with six apartments in the neighborhood of al-Juneinah in Rafah. We stayed in an apartment on the first floor along with my parents and brothers. In the opposite apartment were other relatives. Things were relatively quiet in that neighborhood. We only went out to stock up on groceries and didn't run into any trouble, because the area was pretty quiet. On Monday, 23 October 2023, at about 1:20 P.M., I went out to the grocery store while my family was getting ready for lunch. As soon as I stepped out of the building, I was thrown about 50 meters away. I jumped back to my feet and wanted to run to the building to check on my wife, kids, father and mother and brothers. Some passers-by found me bleeding from the head and took me to a pharmacy, where my head was bandaged. I went back to the building and found our apartments completely destroyed. I was shocked. I fainted and fell down.

I woke up in a-Najar Hospital. I had fractures and bruising and the doctors wanted to keep me there, but I insisted on going back to look for my family. When I arrived I found neighbors there, including my friend Anas al-‘Adaisi, and they all helped search for my family. We got 11 injured people out and a lot of bodies. Only the next day were we able to extract the bodies of my wife, kids, parents and brothers. The bodies were dismembered.

It was a horrible sight, indescribable. It broke me to see my boys like that. I'm in a terrible state. I don't know how I’ll deal with what happened to me. I never imagined I’d end up in this situation. I never imagined I’d lose my family like this. I’m alone in the world now. Everything I cared about is gone.

@mixed_biscuits apparently justifies this mass slaughter (alongside many, many others) and places all responsibility on Hamas, and not the people firing the actual weapons. absolutely beyond depraved.

Your fulmination is kind of disingenuous given you don't actually believe Israel as a whole has genocidal intent.

 

[mixed_biscuits]

Maybe this thread's Golders Green Hamas reservist volunteer branch should utilise their matchless critical thinking skills and obsessive following of Hamas accounts to deduce the locations of the Hamas cowards so that Israel can hit them with more accuracy and put an end to the despair for the innocents caught in the crossfire.

 

[Mr. Tea]

Your fulmination is kind of disingenuous given you don't actually believe Israel as a whole has genocidal intent.

You're a fine one to talk about being "disingenuous", since your position appears to be "Israel never deliberately targets civilians, and when it does, that's Hamas's fault too."

 

[mixed_biscuits]

You're a fine one to talk about being "disingenuous", since your position appears to be "Israel never deliberately targets civilians, and when it does, that's Hamas's fault too."

As far as I can tell Israel are currently telling the Palestinians where they are going to be bombing and then bombing there. If they were subsequently bombing somewhere else, where people had just fleed to, then that would be out of order.

 

[Mr. Tea]

As far as I can tell Israel are currently telling the Palestinians where they are going to be bombing and then bombing there. If they were subsequently bombing somewhere else, where people had just fleed to, then that would be out of order.

This is such total bullshit I can tell you don't even believe it yourself.

 

[Mr. Tea]

But, again, a master-class in victim-blaming. "The civilians in one of the most densely populated places on earth, who are unable to leave it, keep deliberately packing themselves into apartment buildings they know will be bombed, so it's their fault they're dying in their thousands."

 

[mixed_biscuits]

This is such total bullshit I can tell you don't even believe it yourself.

 

[Mr. Tea]

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They've ordered about 2/3 of the total total territory to be evacuated, you bellend. How easy do you think it is to shuttle a couple of million people around in an area that tiny when its already creaky infrastructure has been completely pulverised?

Your defence of Israel is about as convincing as a murder suspect saying "It was her fault, your honour, she threw herself on the knife I was innocently pointing at her in self-defence."

 

[thirdform]

You know the current situation is not equivalent to a proper two-state solution...otherwise why would people be clamouring for the two-state solution all the time?

ms-dos was freedom baby!

because they are deluded and like your infantile posterior they haven't read Exodus 32. You guys love to chat the biblical talk but can't even read your own book where Moses has to intercede with God (what kind of crappy God is that!) to not wipe out the Israelites for worshipping the calf.

I mean come on. You've tried the bible and you've failed. You've tried the artfags and you've failed. You've tried the indigeneity and you've failed. Modern Zionists are actually the worst defenders of Israels right to exist. The old zionists had no problem with colonialism (redoubtable debaters no lesss and much less truck with the bible, but you have been infected with the sexually transmitted woke virus. We did tell you to dispense with your sexual urges in a more disciplinarian way, but you got too relaxed and now you are doing hamas's propaganda. well done, Toby! You will never be sexy because you are a moralist.

 

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[mixed_biscuits]

because they are deluded and like your infantile posterior they haven't read Exodus 32. You guys love to chat the biblical talk but can't even read your own book where Moses has to intercede with God (what kind of crappy God is that!) to not wipe out the Israelites for worshipping the calf.

I mean come on. You've tried the bible and you've failed. You've tried the artfags and you've failed. You've tried the indigeneity and you've failed. Modern Zionists are actually the worst defenders of Israels right to exist. The old zionists had no problem with colonialism (redoubtable debaters no lesss and much less truck with the bible, but you have been infected with the sexually transmitted woke virus. We did tell you to dispense with your sexual urges in a more disciplinarian way, but you got too relaxed and now you are doing hamas's propaganda. well done, Toby! You will never be sexy because you are a moralist.

But what about that Shut up and Dance tune?

 

[mixed_biscuits]

Since when did the Nazis take over America's top universities?

 

[mixed_biscuits]

The very moment there was some wider acceptability to antisemitism, the national socialist elites dispensed with the BS antizionist alibi...it's stunning that they could easily respond to the question by saying that they make a distinction between antizionist statements and antisemitic ones, derogating the latter because they are racist (and what happened to all the 'words are violence' rhetoric!).

 

[vimothy]

This is a conspiracy theorist!

I don't think so. its quite clear that israel has decimated the gaza strip, no conspiracy "theory" is necessary

 

[Mr. Tea]

Since when did the Nazis take over America's top universities?

Why are you doing this? I mean, what's the end game here other than convincing all but two other people (and I haven't seen even them popping up here to back you up in this latest descent into madness) that you're a total cunt?

 

[mixed_biscuits]

Why are you doing this? I mean, what's the end game here other than convincing all but two other people (and I haven't seen even them popping up here to back you up in this latest descent into madness) that you're a total cunt?

So you have no problem with people calling for antisemitic genocide?

 

[Mr. Tea]

So you have no problem with people calling for antisemitic genocide?

I'm not even going to bother clicking the link because I can tell that's a going to be a grotesque distortion of what's actually happening there.

And, yet again, you're obsessing over a genocide that isn't happening while excusing an actual one.

 

[mixed_biscuits]

I'm not even going to bother clicking the link because I can tell that's a going to be a grotesque distortion of what's actually happening there.

And, yet again, you're obsessing over a genocide that isn't happening while excusing an actual one.

Tell yourself that, ostrichhead. They literally don't care if mobs on their campus call for the elimination of each and every Jew.

What I'm doing here on the thread is not presenting my opinion in its fullness as much as saying things that the majority are wilfully ignoring due to bias or fervour.

 

[yyaldrin]

it's so fucking morbid and extremely sad and harrowing to see people on twitter prophesying their own deaths