Since it's been a while since we had an Israel/Palestine thread...

[droid]

Tell me again how left-wing/anti-Zionist/pro-peace/pro-Palestine Israelis, and Israeli children in general, are to blame for Netanyahu and his policies.

Or just fuck off with your misplaced sanctimony and smug racism.

I cant, because I never said any of those things.

And here we see another classic tea move, slinking off without a word of contrition when you lose the argument and then yapping along in the wake of someone with double your amount of brain cells when they embark on a marginally less idiotic attack.

 

[droid]

what a load of hot air

stop bullshitting you said it would be funny to see Israeli Jews suffer en masse. it's not that weird for anyone to take issue with that. now you're basically just trying to backtrack with all this smug froth. get over yourself.

I made a grimly sarcastic comment in response to endless footage of Israelis celebrating an ongoing genocide, forgive me if you cant understand tone and context or found it impolitic.

Did you call Finkelstein an anti-semite when he said the October attacks '“warm[ed] every fiber of my soul”? By your standards he is apparently a nazi - despite his 'smug' backtracking.

But regardless, Im not going to take moral instruction from a hypocrite who immediately resorts to the same zionist, anti-semitic rhetoric he claims to condemn.

 

[droid]

This is small potatoes in the scheme of things, but I briefly met some of this team when they came here in 2016/2017 to play football. Lovely kids, and their coaches were amazing. I have to wonder now how many of them are still alive.

 

[maxi]

I made a grimly sarcastic comment in response to endless footage of Israelis celebrating an ongoing genocide, forgive me if you cant understand tone and context or found it impolitic.

Did you call Finkelstein an anti-semite when he said the October attacks '“warm[ed] every fiber of my soul”? By your standards he is apparently a nazi - despite his smug backtracking.

But regardless, Im not going to take moral instruction from a hypocritical tankie who immediately resorts to the same zionist, anti-semitic rhetoric he claims to condemn.

alright firstly, I don't actually think you're a Nazi. I made a joke about you sympathising with Germans in WW2 to take the piss, obviously. I made it clear which parts of that post were a joke and which weren't.

I'm not resorting to "the same zionist, antisemitic rhetoric" I condemn. I already explained why and I don't want to keep going in circles. I've said what I have to say now.

 

[Mr. Tea]

I cant, because I never said any of those things.

And here we see another classic tea move, slinking off without a word of contrition when you lose the argument and then yapping along in the wake of someone with double your amount of brain cells when they embark on a marginally less idiotic attack.

You are clearly implying it. Don't try and wriggle off the hook like this. When even a notably left-wing, anti-Zionist Jew is telling you you've overstepped the mark into outright racism by gleefully anticipating the destruction of an entire country, someone less convinced of their innate rightness might pause to reconsider their position. Of course, the heat death of the universe will occur before you stop to ponder whether you might be wrong about something.

Russia is also waging a genocidal war, and I don't recall anyone in that thread getting a hard-on over the prospect of the entire country being depopulated and millions of people turned into refugees.

 

[Mr. Tea]

Oh, and I see @WashYourHands is, as usual, mashing the "haha" button because droid has slagged me off, like the little conditioned rodent he is.



Hi Wash! Considered progressing beyond the emotional development of a toddler yet? Nah, thought not.

 

[droid]

You are clearly implying it. Don't try and wriggle off the hook like this. When even a notably left-wing, Zionist Jew is telling you you've overstepped the mark into outright racism by gleefully anticipating the destruction of an entire country, someone less convinced of their innate rightness might pause to reconsider their position. Of course, the heat death of the universe will occur before you stop to ponder whether you might be wrong about something.

Russia is also waging a genocidal war, and I don't recall anyone in that thread getting a hard-on over the prospect of the entire country being depopulated and millions of people turned into refugees.

Whut? 'A notably left-wing, Zionist Jew'? What new level of idiocy is this?

Being exposed to the cretinous workings of your tiny mind is like watching the dimmest slime mould in the laboratory trying to find its way out of a maze.

 

[droid]

alright firstly, I don't actually think you're a Nazi. I made a joke about you sympathising with Germans in WW2 to take the piss, obviously. I made it clear which parts of that post were a joke and which weren't.

I'm not resorting to "the same zionist, antisemitic rhetoric" I condemn. I already explained why and I don't want to keep going in circles. I've said what I have to say now.

Stop bullshitting. You literally called me a nazi antisemite in the same thread where you decry accusations of anti-semitism directed at critics of Israel - and again, where is your condemnation of Finkelstein for his 'glee' at the October 7th attacks?

Oh, and btw, the ethnic cleansing of Germans happened after WWII along with the rape of around a million women by the red army. Fertile ground for comedy there Im sure you'll agree.

 

[Mr. Tea]

Whut? 'A notably left-wing, Zionist Jew'? What new level of idiocy is this?

I don't want to speak for maxi, but I believe he's Jewish and considers himself both left-wing and anti-Zionist.

 

[droid]

Oh, and I see @WashYourHands is, as usual, mashing the "haha" button because droid has slagged me off, like the little conditioned rodent he is.

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Hi Wash! Considered progressing beyond the emotional development of a toddler yet? Nah, thought not.

Lol, precisely what you have done all morning - though of course, irony is obviously too complex a concept for you to grasp.

I don't want to speak for maxi, but I believe he's Jewish and considers himself both left-wing and anti-Zionist.

Then why did you call him a 'zionist'? Do you even read your own garbage or are you so desperate to score points that you cant even pause to check it before you post?

 

[mixed_biscuits]

Your mistaking anger for glee. And inevitability for 'wishing'.

Tell me, how does history view the 14 million Germans ethnically cleansed in the wake of WWII? Do we shed a single tear for their suffering?

But sure, its 'bloodlust' to suggest that the citizens of a state currently committing genocide in full view of the world will be seen as pariahs and refused aid in the future.

Complete fantasy

 

[Mr. Tea]

Then why did you call him a 'zionist'? Do you even read your own garbage or are you so desperate to score points that you cant even pause to check it before you post?

It was a typo for "anti-zionist." I'd have thought that was obvious from the context.

Of course he's not a fucking "zionist", anyone can see that.

 

[Mr. Tea]

Lol, precisely what have done all morning - though of course, irony is obviously to complex a concept for you to grasp.

Minor difference being I am actually taking part in this conversation instead of just chuckling like a moron from the sidelines.

 

[droid]

It was a typo for "anti-zionist." I'd have thought that was obvious from the context.

Of course he's not a fucking "zionist", anyone can see that.

Obvious from context? Really? So you're saying context is important then?

Minor difference being I am actually taking part in this conversation instead of just chuckling like a moron from the sidelines.

Yeah, its true - you're being moronic both directly and from the sidelines, as usual.

 

[mixed_biscuits]

lol, a Nazi now, no less.

Ill make this simple, so you can understand. Israel is not the same as Judaism, its is not anti-semitic to suggest that Israelis will face historical consequences for committing acts of genocide - unless of course you view Israel and Jews as the same thing, itself a well established antisemitic point of view, and clearly one you share.

'People like me' have been campaigning for decades to avoid the exact scenario that is playing out now, because we knew that it would end either with the destruction of the Palestinians or the destruction of Israel, or both. 'People like me' have been calling for peace and normalisation along internationally recognised borders for decades because of the destructive and corrosive nature of the occupation on both Palestinian and Israeli societies. 'People like me' have been consistent in opposition to dehumanisation and racism against both sides because we understand that this is one of the main drivers of the conflict. 'People like me' (unlike your friend Finkelstein) did not celebrate Hamas' Oct. 7 attack because we value life and understood that the consequences would be devastating for both Palestinians and Israelis. Its the same reason why 'people like me' oppose Russian aggression in Ukraine or Syria, or American aggression in Iraq, because we oppose war and imperialism regardless of the perpetrator. Unlike yourself, 'people like me' have some understanding of history - both of this conflict specifically and more generally, and we can see the arc of its flight, which is why we despair now at its predictable trajectory.

So, please, fuck off.

People like you, but not you.

 

[mixed_biscuits]

This is small potatoes in the scheme of things, but I briefly met some of this team when they came here in 2016/2017 to play football. Lovely kids, and their coaches were amazing. I have to wonder now how many of them are still alive.

And so the sob story arrives.

 

[Murphy]

Minor difference being I am actually taking part in this conversation instead of just chuckling like a moron from the sidelines.

debating what?

 

[Murphy]

@Mr. Tea help is out there, maybe consider accessing it

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[Mr. Tea]

Obvious from context? Really? So you're saying context is important then?

Yes, it was completely obvious. If a sentence appears to say the opposite from what you'd expect, there's a good chance the author has missed out a word like 'not' or 'anti' by mistake.

You going to explain what 'context' makes "I'm going to laugh my ass off when all Israelis are reduced to refugees and no-one wants to take them" an OK position?

 

[droid]

Whats the point in explaining anything to you? You're an idiot with the comprehension skills of an infant who's incapable of arguing in anything but bad faith - as you demonstrate here for the millionth time by putting words that I never said into quotes.