Mr. Tea

Let's Talk About Ceps
You call updating the thread with expert consensus from the newspaper of record contrarianism?
Expert consensus is unquestionable now, is it? Shall we take an opinion survey among, say, top virologists and epidemiologists on the benefit to risk ratio of covid-19 vaccines?
 

mixed_biscuits

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Expert consensus is unquestionable now, is it? Shall we take an opinion survey among, say, top virologists and epidemiologists on the benefit to risk ratio of covid-19 vaccines?
The Times' experts go through their reasoning with all of them cognisant of roughly the same set of facts; this was not the case with most mediatised covid pronouncements.
 

Mr. Tea

Let's Talk About Ceps
The Times' experts go through their reasoning with all of them cognisant of roughly the same set of facts; this was not the case with most mediatised covid pronouncements.
Or, more prosaically, your only criterion for how trustworthy information is, is whether it agrees or not with your existing beliefs and values.
 

Mr. Tea

Let's Talk About Ceps
So you think that The Times experts are wrong then?
Haven't read it, have no idea who they are or what their affiliations or qualifications are, so I have no opinion.

I could just as well ask why you think you're right and Chris Whitty is wrong about vaccines, though, couldn't I?

Your willingness to bow to 'authority' about these things appears, as I've said, to be entirely contingent on your own prejudices.
 

padraig (u.s.)

a monkey that will go ape
Yall ffs pls stop taking the bait. In every thread. All he ever wants is for you to establish a position so he can "ah but what about -this-? checkmate liberals" in a recursive loop of endlessly moving goalposts. If there's a serious question or argument I'll answer it, the rest it's best to just ignore.

Also, again, getting bogged down in a fight over the hospital is losing the forest for the trees. Yes, it's a terrible tragedy and accuracy is important. But let's focus on what's not disputed - death toll in Gaza is approaching 4k, Israeli govt and Hamas are still locked in a deadly staring match over the hostages with regular Palestinians trapped in the middle, etc.
 

mixed_biscuits

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Haven't read it, have no idea who they are or what their affiliations or qualifications are, so I have no opinion.

I could just as well ask why you think you're right and Chris Whitty is wrong about vaccines, though, couldn't I?

Your willingness to bow to 'authority' about these things appears, as I've said, to be entirely contingent on your own prejudices.
No, it's the facts and reasoning. Note that I haven't questioned the mainstream analysis of the Ukraine conflict.
 

padraig (u.s.)

a monkey that will go ape
Israeli govt and Hamas are still locked in a deadly staring match over the hostages
Speaking of which, Netanyahu, Gallant, and the IDF commander for southern Israel all made public statements today heavily implying that invasion is coming soon

Could just be more posturing, but if Hamas leadership isn't going to blink over the siege (and it doesn't seem like they will) and the Israelis are going to invade anyway, you'd think they need to do it soon, now that Biden's visit out of the way.
 

DannyL

Wild Horses
Yall ffs pls stop taking the bait. In every thread. All he ever wants is for you to establish a position so he can "ah but what about -this-? checkmate liberals" in a recursive loop of endlessly moving goalposts. If there's a serious question or argument I'll answer it, the rest it's best to just ignore.

Also, again, getting bogged down in a fight over the hospital is losing the forest for the trees. Yes, it's a terrible tragedy and accuracy is important. But let's focus on what's not disputed - death toll in Gaza is approaching 4k, Israeli govt and Hamas are still locked in a deadly staring match over the hostages with regular Palestinians trapped in the middle, etc.
Yeah just ignore him Olly. Not worth engaging with.
 

Mr. Tea

Let's Talk About Ceps
Yeah just ignore him Olly. Not worth engaging with.
You're both right, of course, and I should know better. What's frustrating is that he wasn't always like this, and I know there is a brain of sorts in there, or there used to be.
 
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