Since it's been a while since we had an Israel/Palestine thread...
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mixed_biscuits
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Evidence?
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mixed_biscuits
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Since you are not in favour of Hamas surrendering, then you are for them continuing and presumably you want them to continue and win rather than lose...how is that not pro-Hamas?
padraig (u.s.)
a monkey that will go ape
dude I don't give a shit winning points in a stupid internet debate club or pwning fuckwit trash like biscuits or whatever
what I care about is thousands of people being killed by a far-right govt that is coopting part of my identity to justify that killing. secondarily I care about the poisonous effects of this war and the occupations on Israel, where for better or worse part of my family lives.
get some perspective, plz. these are real things that really happening. they are not just grist for an endless sea of meaningless banter and then we go to another thread and banter about movies or whatever.
Mr. Tea
Let's Talk About Ceps
Both sides should stop fighting, but one side is causing nearly all of the death and destruction right now. A side you've consistently failed to condemn or criticise in any way, because you're objectively pro-genocide.
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Firstly, I have criticised the Israelis, including floating the idea that October 7 was an inside job...something for which you had no enthusiasm, perhaps because it would take some of the shine away from Hamas!
padraig (u.s.)
a monkey that will go ape
Yes, it's almost like beliefs and actions have consequences. Framing it as "mind contagion" is nonsense but classic gus, so there you go. Hundreds of people are dying every day and almost 2 million are displaced and starving. I cannot summon up much sympathy for people dealing with tense office atmospheres in their not being bombed, not under siege, stocked with food offices.
The two most prominent boycotts of businesses - one in Canada, one in Philly - were linked to the owners materially supporting the IDF (via the Lone Soldier program) and/or firing employees for pro-Palestinian views. I invite anyone to turn up a single incident of a Jewish-owned business being targeted bc its Jewish-owned rather than some similar reason to those two examples. (personally I don't think targeting small businesses is a very effective tactic, but that's a different issue)
padraig (u.s.)
a monkey that will go ape
Back on topic, a couple days ago Hamas ambushed and wiped out the Golani Brigade's forward command unit in Gaza City
Which messes with the IDF victory narrative and symbolizes Israeli fears of another Lebanon style quagmire
Almost as if not having clear strategic goals and a plan to attain them is an issue in prosecuting a war
A big positive for Bibi ofc, for whom the longer it drags on the better
Which messes with the IDF victory narrative and symbolizes Israeli fears of another Lebanon style quagmire
Almost as if not having clear strategic goals and a plan to attain them is an issue in prosecuting a war
A big positive for Bibi ofc, for whom the longer it drags on the better
Mr. Tea
Let's Talk About Ceps
You know damn well that I meant criticising Israel for killing Gazan civilians on a massive scale.
mixed_biscuits
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They are clearly not as good at this disambiguation trick as you are:
'The owner of a chain of local coffee shops told the Montreal Gazette that “last weekend, they put swastikas on the … menus downtown and they wrote ‘F— THE JEWS.'”
Jewish-owned businesses in Montreal targeted with antisemitic profanity
A list of Montreal businesses is circulating on social media, provoking boycotts and vandalism.
montrealgazette.com
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All killing is wrong
sus
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Concisely put
sus
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Lol literally people I know are doing this, I don't need to link to newspaper articles
Clinamenic
Binary & Tweed
Point taken. Don't want my peanut gallery comments to add to anyones stress here.
sus
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Millions of people are under siege or starving in places that aren't Gaza, too. All the time. Every day. These people just happen to specifically fit into political narratives that we've attached our identities to, which is why we suddenly care.
sus
Moderator
There have been hundred mass-scale international tragedies the past decade. Some of them selectively arouse enormous public frenzies and some of them are completely ignored. Friends deciding to stop speaking to each other, because they've come to slightly different narrative interpretations of their social media feeds (which are hopelessly biased/propagandized) is very silly. I know that you've signed a legally binding contract that requires you to uncharitably disagree with every single thing I post on this board, but still, Padraig, you're better than this.
padraig (u.s.)
a monkey that will go ape
No you're right, I definitely didn't care about Chiapas or Rwanda or Iraq or Afghanistan or any other place where terrible things have happened. I famously never said anything about any of those places. And I definitely haven't been paying attention to Israel since my dad moved there in the 80s. I don't have blood relatives in the IDF who are part of this awful war. I don't have a friend who was maimed by the Israeli border police for covering a protest against the wall. You're definitely right, it just fits into my political narratives and I only began caring on Oct 7th.
You picked the wrong person for this bullshit dude
sus
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Padraig's hoping that if he posts enough, Tea will send some baggies of wavy cap psilocybes to the Palestinians, and Luka will write pro-Palestinian poetry on the Thames, and the siege will end