sus
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Everything you said agrees with "You care about this because it's part of your identity."
Since it's been a while since we had an Israel/Palestine thread...
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padraig (u.s.)
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Millions of people are under siege? Where?
What's happening now in Gaza is the worst military assault on a civilian population since WWII with over a 61% civilian death ratio. It's the worst death toll of UN personnel in history. It's the worst period for deaths of journalists in a warzone since they started collecting records. It involves an unprecedented level of violence against medical facilities and the deliberate starvation of millions of people in the context of the longest running occupation in modern history and countless public genocidal statements from the aggressors. Its slaughter, ethnic cleansing, mass displacement and genocide.
The fact that you think people only care about this because of 'identity' says a lot.
padraig (u.s.)
a monkey that will go ape
padraig (u.s.)
a monkey that will go ape
All good man, let's just keep things in perspective
sus
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There are probably 50-100 million displaced peoples and refugees around the world right now.
padraig (u.s.)
a monkey that will go ape
To again, get back on topic
yall's ambassador - a longstanding annexationist/Jewish supremacist lunatic in the vein of Ben-Gvir - belligerently articulates the current govts stance on a two-state solution
yall's ambassador - a longstanding annexationist/Jewish supremacist lunatic in the vein of Ben-Gvir - belligerently articulates the current govts stance on a two-state solution
Clinamenic
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I do agree with droid and padraig re: the reality of this, but I also think that gus is accurately describing the superficial nature in which most people engage with it, which unfortunately is comparable to content/grist in the media mill. To me it seems like, to enduringly genuinely care about crises that don't directly impact you or your friends/family, its primarily a matter of being more empathetic than most.
There might also be a generational aspect here, where younger people (who have primarily become acquainted with the world through online content) are more prone to despondently conflate war coverage with the various other trending topics on twitter, myself included.
There might also be a generational aspect here, where younger people (who have primarily become acquainted with the world through online content) are more prone to despondently conflate war coverage with the various other trending topics on twitter, myself included.
Maybe you just live in America?
mixed_biscuits
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One can understand one caring and trying to convince one's family of your viewpoint cf @maxi but spending hours on end trying to change the minds of 20 music fans who never change their minds about anything problematises one's earnestness @padraig (u.s.).
Clinamenic
Binary & Tweed
Yeah the sheer physical distance is probably what contributes most to the disconnection, but also that I don't know anyone, or at least I don't know if I know anyone, who was directly effected by this. Plus, just getting accustomed to seeing geopolitical crises churn through twitter alongside hollywood dating news.
mixed_biscuits
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Yes, and people know this, so they take particular lines with the aim of signalling their own purported superior empathy, which ironically weakens the signal as a consequence.
mixed_biscuits
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Displacement can count as genocide
Clinamenic
Binary & Tweed
Like if I didn't know you Droid, I honestly probably would have glossed over the news I saw about the riots in Dublin, and wouldn't have given it a second thought. Or if I didn't have family/friends in NYC during that flooding (which I don't think was that dangerous but which may have been), I would have glossed over that too.
The closest I get to this, re: the Israel/Palestine conflict, is when I have colleagues based in or traveling through that area of the world, in which cases I just express concern for any potential difficulties they're facing, but even in those few cases none of them have been effected (or at least haven't expressed such).
If my dad moved to Israel and was there during all this, I'd feel very differently. I do think there is something universal about this sort of economy of empathy, but I do take responsibility for not willing/mustering more empathy, despite, like Gus says, there being perpetual occasion for such throughout human history.
The closest I get to this, re: the Israel/Palestine conflict, is when I have colleagues based in or traveling through that area of the world, in which cases I just express concern for any potential difficulties they're facing, but even in those few cases none of them have been effected (or at least haven't expressed such).
If my dad moved to Israel and was there during all this, I'd feel very differently. I do think there is something universal about this sort of economy of empathy, but I do take responsibility for not willing/mustering more empathy, despite, like Gus says, there being perpetual occasion for such throughout human history.
hmg
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Someday, we'll look back and finally recognize his greatness and how RIGHT he was about... about everything.
We don't deserve him. Forgive us, padraig, for we know not what we do. (Some jokes would have helped)
Clinamenic
Binary & Tweed
Here I just admit ignorance and, in all likelihood, complicity to whatever extent, insofar as you don't see me revoking my citizenship or attempting some otherwise adamantly virtuous lifestyle.