4linehaiku

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I'm just jacking it from Mr Reynolds, who applied it to the Mosca Fact mix
http://blissout.blogspot.com/2010/11/from-now-on-when-someone-asks-me-to_08.html

Most of his moaning these days is way off the mark (see his hugely smug summary of the rolling future-garage etc thread) but that set of Oneman's reminded me of that article. He seems to view it as a huge burn, but I'm not so convinced. It's an observation not really a criticism.
Nothing to do with Juke though!
 

alex

Do not read this.
oh on HIS blog, that's why iv never seen it before ;)

My friend is interviewing Rashad in a few days time - what should she ask him? Cheers in advance... (won't be for a specialist site I think).

Would you be able to ask him on his view on DJ’ing & Mixing footwork? I have read some comments on the internet complaining that people in the UK or people picking up the sound now are not playing it right (stinks of elitism I know, but I can see their point, sort of). Basically they are stating that Juke/F.work tunes have traditionally been mixed in quick succession, with the DJ never playing more than 1 minute into the track. Can see why this would be the case in turntablism circles, and I am not gunning for them, it’s just that Rashad builds tracks (the ghettoteknitians 2010 edit for example, ‘we get it in, we get it in’) where the best bit doesn’t come in till halfway through a 4-6 (sometimes even longer) track.

I could listen to that track from start to finish and not get bored, same with ‘studio’ by Dj Spinn.
 

4linehaiku

Repetitive
Rashad was definitely playing more than 1 minute of his tunes last night. DJing a club and a battle are pretty different though surely?
 

wise

bare BARE BONES
they play tracks for more than a minute in those youtube dances.

the 808 bass kick they use in Juke & Footwork is mostly sub
 

mistersloane

heavy heavy monster sound
I'd be interested for your friend to ask him about what music he listens to now and what he contructs his tracks on, how he makes the beats.

And if his music was a vegetable, what colour would it be.
 

wise

bare BARE BONES
yeah Grime has a lot more in common with Juke than Dubstep ever did, Rashads probably never heard any
 

gumdrops

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grime is obv much closer to footwork then dubstep. theres one track on bangs and works that sounds just like dexplicit (but like a refix). cant remember which. quite a few tracks rashad played at fwd reminded me of grime too. doesnt necess mean i want to hear either side apeing the other of course.
 

wise

bare BARE BONES
not particularly convinced by those footwork/jungle remixes.
They should have done Tek 9 - A London Someting


I could imagine people footworking to this as is
 

AZIZA

Well-known member
yeah Grime has a lot more in common with Juke than Dubstep ever did, Rashads probably never heard any

He's heard grime cuzo. Dave plays grime in his sets at Loose Squares and I'm sure Neema has played them a bunch of stuff. I played some old riddims for him. He heard parallels between that and Ghettohouse/Juke.

The bass thing is an interesting one actually, because there doesn't really seem to be any soundsystem culture round it no? I may be way off the mark, but from the youtube's I've watched it's all happening in sports halls and stuff, never in clubs, and the speakers look like any old rental PA. So surely the sub-bass is almost entirely missing, yet the way it's mixed down sounds amazing somewhere like PP.

It is a small PA but Tekz have subs at the Underground Track Factory..not sure about the rest of Chicago but from the few clubs I saw or walked past, I felt subs. SmartBar had Funktion1s...NEEMA? DAVE? I'd imagine a lot of clubs have good sound out there..

oh on HIS blog, that's why iv never seen it before ;)



Would you be able to ask him on his view on DJ’ing & Mixing footwork? I have read some comments on the internet complaining that people in the UK or people picking up the sound now are not playing it right (stinks of elitism I know, but I can see their point, sort of). Basically they are stating that Juke/F.work tunes have traditionally been mixed in quick succession, with the DJ never playing more than 1 minute into the track. Can see why this would be the case in turntablism circles, and I am not gunning for them, it’s just that Rashad builds tracks (the ghettoteknitians 2010 edit for example, ‘we get it in, we get it in’) where the best bit doesn’t come in till halfway through a 4-6 (sometimes even longer) track.

I could listen to that track from start to finish and not get bored, same with ‘studio’ by Dj Spinn.

I'll tell you this, these dudes know how to read a crowd. In a battle they might be mixing quickly or they might have long blends/short blends, everything goes, or they might let a track play out for a while, especially if it's a new one. Watch if you need to:

DJ Rashad Montreal uStream 75mins
 

dave quam

Well-known member
Rashad remixed that track with Trim so he's obviously heard grime, but he isn't sitting at home jamming it. He's definitely heard it. I do play some grime when I DJ, though usually just instrumentals, and I'm not super knowledgeable about it.

Man all the clubs in Chicago kind of fucking blow. Smartbar has a pretty decent sound system but I hate that place. Most places that have decent sound book terrible shows and aren't really rushing to book these guys. It's pretty grim here, and pretty sad. While the footwork battles are at dance studios and gyms and such, these guys DJ at clubs and house parties all the time. The only time I've seen any of these guys play at clubs in the hood they were pretty makeshift spots, but there used to be some regular spots they would play at, one was Callivini's in the South Suburbs, and Club Xavier on the West Side. I am not exactly sure what happened to these places (I think Xavier is closed down however). To be honest though I've had a lot more fun going to the footwork battles. They have two huge subs and the music is loud as fuck, you can hear it from down the block. There's plenty of bass, and I'd say the best way to hear footwork tracks really is through Spinn's PA in a tiny room.

To the dude who said something about other DJs playing footwork wrong, it's totally true, a lot of people suck at playing it out. A lot of people play the wrong tracks at the wrong time, and nobody dances to it. They just don't really know how to work with it, or they just have no sense of timing. Rashad, Spinn, Traxman ect don't exclusively play footwork tracks when they DJ, whether they are playing at a house party in Chicago or in Europe. Hell Clent is a hip-hop DJ on a local radio station, and I've hear Traxman play straight up techno sets. I've heard Spinn play dancehall at a party too. One of my favorite moments was seeing Rashad play at PS1 in NYC, where he got everybody dancing, starting off with classic house, jersey club to get people warmed up, and then dropped shit like Ghost at an outdoor venue with like 3000 people, many of them weird tourists. He told me when he first started playing in other cities and overseas that he would start with his more accessible jukey stuff, and people would ask him to play straight up footwork tracks. He was kind of nervous to play "that weird shit" as he calls it, but he knows now that people are familiar with his music and that they want to hear that kind of stuff, and he's pretty psyched on that.
 

dave quam

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oh yeah....

each footwork battle is usually only 4 minutes long if it's 1 vs 1. Usually each person gets a minute. So even if it's 5 vs 5 your only really looking at 20 minutes. Obviously given this timeframe, you gotta mix quick.
 

gumdrops

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incredible show so far.
this is the best music in the world right now.
i want planet mu to release a rashad/ghetto teknitianz album.
 
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