To be honest, I don't believe nuclear families are natural either. Biologically speaking, there's no great need for the male to stick around anyway. As you say, children would be nurtured and protected by the tribe, which in communities with a sufficient enough support structure (friends, extended family, etc) they still are to an extent. It seems fairly clear to me that a lot of single parent families are economically disadvantaged too, where subsidised child care and/or that community is not available, where certain jobs cannot be taken due to responsibilities, and thus leave mostly low-paying jobs or welfare to support them. So it's not necessarily the single-parent unit that's at fault in itself, but what generally goes along with it i.e. poverty.
You've touched on lack of male role models (and we agree that it's mostly mum's left to look after the kids), and I think that male children need to have some guidance in how to grow to be a man and identify with males. Getting back to the original thread question, there seem to be two particular elements that
may contribute to children growing into violent adults with misogynist tendencies - one of them being a domineering, abusive mother and the other witnessing the male parent/step-parent/boyfriend attacking the mother.
I can see how being left with a child to bring up alone
may cause resentment to the father, and I think children being more perceptive than we often think,
may infer that male=useless, lazy, possibly violent and irresponsible. I think that where perception of masculinity is negative, there is a subconscious draw to rebalance, which may look for more positive examples to aspire to, or may just look at ways to bring down females. I'm not saying this IS the way it is, I'm just suggesting why it MIGHT be, which is what the original question regarded wasn't it?
What double-standard is that? I don't think it's admirable in men either if you read a few pages back. People getting so drunk they can't remember the night before aren't interesting at the time or anecdotally. Is drinking heavily manly? Given that it often leads to impotence and diminishes testosterone levels hardly. It mostly causes the Id, the inner toddler to come out when drunk in excess, so it's hardly adult even. People drinking is fine, drunks are generally quite dull, it's got nothing to do with whether it's acceptable or not - equality to self-destruct is hardly something to aspire to I would have thought.
I still believe that ANYONE that goes out and gets drunk makes more impulsive choices, can get into situations they didn't want to and will be less able to defend themselves when those situations arise. If a male was very drunk, to the point of barely being able to stand, and passed another male intent on beating up someone, he's not only made himself an easy target, he will be unable to escape or fight back too. Now it's not his fault he's being attacked, but if (as we seem to agree) there are dangerous shitbags out there, then it would be wise to be aware of this and by not being so drunk it would have reduced his attractiveness as a potential victim.
A lot of these crimes are often done because the circumstances indicated that the attacker could get away with it, and with an incapacitated drunk that becomes far more likely.
I'm fully aware that men get raped by the way, 1 in 10 of the US prison population for a start, and at least four people I know were raped whilst they were kids. It's not like an ohmigod!! moment for me. Having said that, I assume (you can correct me on this), that mostly happens from sexual predators in the gay scene, and so it's something that is statistically negligible in the non-incarcerated or hetero worlds.
Anyway Nomadthesecond, I'd rather go back to the original thread query if possible, was quite enjoying the discussion before it descended into gender politics, so I'd rather not get into a flame war based on any perceived offense. I may have missed some level of sensitivity on certain issues but I'm more interested in the reasons behind things rather than proving some agenda, so I apologise for that anyway.
