Mvuent’s Bad Boy Bashment Bonanza

[sadmanbarty]

daylight come and me want to go home

 

[luka]

For them there has been this traumatic break for us, we're like, it's all the fucking same to me, Jamaicans innit, yard man, lilt, limbo dancing. What's the problem

This is one of the things it took me a little bit to catch onto with drill. O it's English. They can't help it.mit sounds londonish. Even if it doesn't want to.

 

[sadmanbarty]

This is one of the things it took me a little bit to catch onto with drill. O it's English. They can't help it.mit sounds londonish. Even if it doesn't want to.

but the english things a bit shit. a bit of a cock softner. its school talent show.

whereas jamaicans are gods. take anything and smash it out the park. nothing out of the states comes close to 'dope' or 'dollar' sign.

 

[luka]

It's always been much more fluid every word gets a different inflection, bent differently, stretched, rolled over the tongue, relished. Much more decision getting made all the time

 

[luka]

Much more life in it. Young thug has that. But they've been doing it forever. They don't just deliver the line. Every vocable is an event. It's got so much life in it

 

[luka]

Englishness is rubbish but it's our rubbish so we are affectionate about it

 

[sadmanbarty]

I think I'm hitting a problem you hit all the time when the older thing just seems terrible compared to the present thing. If you were around for the older thing then you can appreciate it. If not, then it's a lot harder

its funny because as music's got amazing again in the last few years (after a good half-decade of being awful) my time barrier's been shifting. more and more of the past is getting eaten up (like that great sea of whiteness that eats universes at the begining of crisis on infinte earths).

but more than that the recent past has been made redundant.

i'm weary of feeling like that on the one hand, but on the other hand it is exciting to go fuck it just full steam ahead with the future, fuck everything else before it. even stuff that was the future only a few years ago.

for example i can imagine if you get something like that pop smoke thing getting a bit more rhythmically sophisticated in terms of the fragmented raps i can imagine completely abandoning my huncho jack and all that. thinking it was important in establishing a new rhythmic language, but now we've got something heavier and grittier doing the same thing i don't need it anymore. it happened already with pre-culture future and young thug. i can't really listen to it.

its a double edged sword as you lose lots of music you love, but it is exciting.

 

[sadmanbarty]

by that logic- or more like by that instinct- something like kartel's 'dollar sign' with that piercing "the shotta dem a PREEEEE the dollar sign" would be made redundant by having tommy lee and popcaan doing that same thing all the time. they purified it and perfected it.

 

[luka]

you want that ultimately. To have a sense of going forward. I don't think I have that thing of the past being cancelled by the present though. But you want the sense of hurtling headlong into the future.

How old were you when auto tune became ubiquitous?

 

[sadmanbarty]

you want that ultimately. To have a sense of going forward. I don't think I have that thing of the past being cancelled by the present though. But you want the sense of hurtling headlong into the future.

How old were you when auto tune became ubiquitous?

13 maybe.

the gully vs gaza era is when it takes over dancehall. so one thing i'd be getting listening to this stuff, which you might not hear listening back is a futurism. proper cutting edge cyborg music.

in that sense the tacky instrumentals are unimportant because you've literally got people making sounds you've never heard before with the vocals.

 

[luka]

If I listen on another day I'll like them.

 

[sadmanbarty]

the way i remember it is that auto-tune was used in the states on the occasional almost as a novelty at the time and not very effectively whereas the jamaicans were absolutely pushing it to the extreme.

the same spirit as dub producers taking new technology and going lets just focus in on this. foreground it. mess around with it.

i never got that sense from the (admittedly poppy end) of rap around the same time.

 

[sadmanbarty]

If I listen on another day I'll like them.

you don't have to. i was messing around before.

it's more satisfying for me that you like the intence and lickle addi ones than those.

 

[luka]

It can be hard to listen backwards. If you weren't there. It's very hard to hear the breakthroughs that are being made unless you experienced it at the time.

 

[luka]

There's a historical sense. Some people have got it more than others I think. Are better at listening backwards.

 

[sadmanbarty]

this was considered free jazz at the time. to us it sounds like the begning of the 101 dalmatians film.

 

[sadmanbarty]

i would also say this music has to be listened to fucking loud. its titan music. it doesn't explain itself in hushed tones.

 

[sadmanbarty]

What’s the time in Minneapolis?

 

[sadmanbarty]

its only lunchtime over there. we'll be waiting ages till mvuent does another instalment

 

[sadmanbarty]

mvuent 08:24 PM Replying to Thread
Mvuent’s Bad Boy Bashment Bonanza

looks promising