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[sus]

Much better, very appropriate

 

[mvuent]

That's just part of my long con. Any manipulator who comes off as a manipulator is playing a short-term game, because people trust him less. A master manipulator establishes a reputation as honest and without agenda. This allows him to work his most insidious magic down the road.

you no doubt remember this https://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2013/05/dove.html

 

[luka]

 

[luka]

 

[Clinamenic]

...What are you trying to say?

 

[luka]

 

[toko]

@suspended any idea where this footnote went?

 

[sus]

Ah yeah InDesign does that sometimes, it's terrible, thanks for alerting me!

 

[toko]

@suspended been thinking about mechanism desing. and had a question. would you say a social choice function counts as a spirit of a procedure/law or the letter of the law. Its formualic and logically defined which makes it seem to be more the "letter", but at the same time it defines some some socially desirable end state which becomes implemented by some mechanism. this which makes me think it tries to define some spirit of the game purely in terms of logic.

 

[sus]

@suspended been thinking about mechanism desing. and had a question. would you say a social choice function counts as a spirit of a procedure/law or the letter of the law. Its formualic and logically defined which makes it seem to be more the "letter", but at the same time it defines some some socially desirable end state which becomes implemented by some mechanism. this which makes me think it tries to define some spirit of the game purely in terms of logic.

I don't quite understand what a social choice function is, can you illuminate or give an example?

 

[toko]

Basically it comes from social choice theory. you take some set of preferences for each individual in the system and then create a function to translate those preferences into some collective group decision. It's used in voting systems for example

 

[toko]

It's a way of aggregating preferences/utility between a group of individuals. I.e logically formalizing collective decision making. Mechnaism design is a layer on top of this. It involves creating some incentive system or "mechanism" to "implement" the social welfare/choice function via incentives.

The reason why I ask is because I was reading an article about mechanism design and some of it's practical issues when used as a tool of public policy.

https://scholar.harvard.edu/files/hitzig/files/finalrevision.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwjWtaKD_sv2AhWvIDQIHV6aBg0QFnoECAUQBg&usg=AOvVaw1ksjw1IVc5574gvS1x2_h8

I think there's a connection between her critique and your idea of surrogation. specifically mechanism design is often a surrogate for "justice" because mechanism design based systems are more seemingly objective and tractable. They can more easily get public buy in. Hitzig uses the Boston school system as a case study of this phenomenon.

 

[toko]

I don't quite understand what a social choice function is, can you illuminate or give an example?

Yeah so for example given a list of people's preferences for who should be president a social choice function picks a winner

 

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No offence, but what is the point of this thread?

 

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[Murphy]

Propaganda, networks, something about The Browns which I infer to be a hatred of Ohio, the Rust Belt and/or Chrissie Hynde

 

[luka]

No offence, but what is the point of this thread?

craners visceral bone deep loathing of Gus is brilliant. he doesnt just want him dead he wants him to die slowly and painfully. its hilarious.

 

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Propaganda, networks, something about The Browns which I infer to be a hatred of Ohio, the Rust Belt and/or Chrissie Hynde

Actually that sounds amazing, maybe I should have paid attention.

 

[Murphy]

Separate from Brooklyn, a laboratory or lavatory depending on your zeal for suffering

 

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Separate from Brooklyn, a laboratory or lavatory depending on your zeal for suffering

Can you just write a legible sentence?